Re: Re: HYB:Traits:parents
<<So i'm very happy with my choice.
Any one here interested too by the smaller ones?>>
Loic, you're in great company!? Several state side hybridizers are working with reblooming SDB's.?
I originally fell in love with the TB's and there my loyalties lie, but I had plans to cross for rebloom SDB's when I move out here.? Unfortunately, my back problems make it difficult for me to get down to their level!? I've potted a bunch in 13-17 inch pots and would have had a line started, had it not been for the problems with freeze.? Some didn't get moved to the pots, but maybe I can get a pair of those long pinchers to remove the blooms for pollen?? <vbg>?
-----Original Message-----
From: loic tasquier <tasquierloic@cs.com>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB:Traits:parents
""""So I'd definitely be a fan of the shotgun approach --
cross with as many [widely] different parents as you
possibly can. You never know which is gonna be that
special combination"""
I totally agree too!
I got 25 pods with Forever Blue, 23 pod with Cry Baby, 17 pod with Double
Life, 16 pod with Jelly Baby, 15 pod with my 'Bijtje'=(Pele X Hot), 13 pod
with Autumn Tangerine and 10 pod with Pinch Me!!!
i'm sure there will be great surprises.
And there will be more possibilities to cross half siblings!
And It will be easier to pull out the dogs with such an amount!
Of course, my crosses might not really turn you on, SDBs seem to be out of the
picture most of the time, but they are so much easier to deal with in smaller
gardens, and crossed with TBs, they give very tough babies, which i need in
my heavy and wet clay here!
I have much more casualties with TBs than with the Medians, which in the long
run is quite tiresome
So i'm very happy with my choice.
Any one here interested too by the smaller ones?
looc
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas silvers
To: iris-talk
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: [iris] Re: HYB:Traits:parents
I can also appreciate that advice [to use a good new
seedling with EVERYTHING!]. And since we're also on
the topic of rebloom, I'll re-mention my most recent
seedling patch surprise [I've already posted about
these seedlings during the past two seasons].
I've used my 24 chromosome bearded species-cross named
CLOWN PANTS (Iris variegata X suaveolens var. mellita)
to cross with just about any other diploid (24
chromosome) beardeds I have. None of these other
parents has ever rebloomed for me; and only half of
the years does CLOWN PANTS send up a few repeat stalks
a couple of weeks after the main flush. So as you'd
expect, all of the seedlings I've been getting have
been once-bloomers, except for...
one cross, using a clone of Iris cengialtii (very
similar to pallida). Four seedlings from this
particular cross, have rebloomed in 2007 and again in
2008. They've got a long way to go in the looks
department, but I still think they're my best
hybridizing surprise so far.
So I'd definitely be a fan of the shotgun approach --
cross with as many [widely] different parents as you
possibly can. You never know which is gonna be that
special combination.
And maybe I can add some pieces to your rebloom theory
puzzle, with my diploid dabblings. Here's the
background of those diploid reblooming seedlings.
1) Iris cengialtii - I've never heard of it reblooming
anywhere.
2) CLOWN PANTS - like I mentioned, sends up a few
repeat stalks (a few weeks after the main flush) about
every other year for me. Two other people have
mentioned that it has done that for them also.
3) Iris variegata - the pod parent of CLOWN PANTS was
a clone (named Beardsley) that is supposed to rebloom
somewhere. It never did for me. But I recall Chuck
Chapman saying that many Iris variegata clones rebloom
regularly for him up there in Canada.
4) Iris suaveolens var. mellita - the pollen parent of
CLOWN PANTS, as far as I know, this little dwarf isn't
known for rebloom either -- it certainly didn't
rebloom for me!
If it's any help, Iris suaveolens blooms VERY early
(and only about 4 or 5 inches tall) and Iris variegata
is one of the last beardeds to bloom here. I actually
had to refrigerate the pollen of suaveolens to be able
to use it months later on variegata.
Oh and another piece of information... none of the
other pallida X CLOWN PANTS crosses have given me any
rebloomers yet.
So... any ideas about what's going on here?
Enjoying the discussion, Tom
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<<Betty wrote:>>
Wouldn't it be nice if we could just look at an iris
and know which of it's traits it will pass along,
without having to make crosses to find out?? Even
after crosses you still don't have the full picture,
since it might?pass (genes) differently with different
partners!
I'm really appreciating Barry Blyth's advice (from
somewhere) to use a good new seedling with EVERYTHING!
You never know what traits are hidden in the gene
pile!?
Anyone have any surprises you'd like to share, from
the seedling patch??
<<and in an earlier e-mail>>
I like to get people talking about the different
theories of rebloom breeding about this time each
spring.
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