Re: Re: AIS: Flight Lines

Perhaps I can clarify things a little.

When Tom Little started iris-l in Feb of 1996 all the messsages were archived but there was no way to access them with a search engine (that I can remember). The messages were however being saved, if for no other reason than Tom was hand generating the digests.

It wasn't until later when we found Chris Lindsey at Mallorn that we had a searchable database. We were however able to move all the messages that had been saved to Mallorn. With the exception of the times when Yahoo put Mallorn on the bounce list, all messages since then have been put in the archives.

This is a public forum, the archives are accessible by anyone, even non-list members.

I intend to try to get the AIS counsel to clarify the situation. I *am not* a lawyer, and you should not make any decisions based on the following, but this is what I believe:

This is a public forum. While you may own the copyright on whatever you send to the list, the copyright only protects you from damage by its use by someone else. That is generally construed to mean financial damage. It is also generally meant that the other user (person, company, organization) must be doing it for profit.

There is also a reasonable expectations issue. By posting to a forum like this you probably have a reasonable expectation that it will be quoted back to the list, and stored on someone's hard drive. Now before the hounds start baying, I don'tknow if it would be a reasonable expectation that your message show up on another list, some newsletter, AIS bulletin or not. It starts getting fuzzy.

Let me also say that I think it is appropriate to give proper attribution to anything that is quoted.

John


Donald Eaves wrote:

Even worse, Donald, there were no archives when Iris-L started.

There weren't? They were there when I joined, if I remember correctly.
After an initial post, I spent several weeks reading them from the
beginning. I think someone brought them to my attention, so I more or less
'caught up' with what had been posted prior to my joining. That'd be a lot
of reading for a newbie to the list now. Still worthwhile to check for
specific topics, but it would be a chore to go through all the posts. In
any case, I enjoy reruns. I never know when a new voice will add a new
slant to an old subect. Not to mention that the archives tend to be cranky
and lock up when I go there.


So all
the stupid things I said to the handful of people there at the
beginning, thinking it was vaporizing after being emailed, were suddenly
there for all the world to read for the coming millenia. Sort of like
when Yahoo suddenly started posting using my <frustration with trying to
register with Yahoo> foul language password as my identity! That one
still makes me squirm.

See! And your password just strikes me as funny! Doesn't bother me at all.
'Course I might feel differently if it'd been me with the inventive moniker.
I expect I'd live with it and laugh about it while wearing a red face,
though. Or I might feel it was exactly right considering some of the
trouble I had with Yahoo.

Donald Eaves
donald@eastland.net
Texas Zone 7b, USA

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