RE: HIST: SPEC: Clovis is Louis?

It is not a problem with wikipedia, any more than it is a problem with any
book you would buy or borrow. The same things happen in both places. As it
goes, whether using a book as a resource, or the web, check and double check
the information you find. If sources are not cited, than any information is
suspect, unless you trust the author of said information. 

In my mind, the big stink over a source such as wikipedia is made by those
who have the most to lose by dissemination of information for no cost vs.
the cost that had previously been applied to it.


\\Steve// 

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From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Robt R
Pries
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:55 PM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] HIST: SPEC: Clovis is Louis?

There is a rather unfortunate side to 'Wikipedia'
information. It is not attributed to an author. In
fact it is made from many authors and the credentials
of any of them are unknown. Unfortunately it was
recently shown that people have used the wikipedia to
promote their own ideas whether well-founded or not. I
wish it were a better source but it is now highly
quetionable whether information gathered there has any
credibility at all. 

--- ChatOWhitehall@aol.com wrote:

> Greetings.
>  
> I ran into something thought provoking the other day
> when I followed a  link 
> in a Wikipedia article I was reading.
>  
> Many may well be sick unto death of the hoary
> question of the  origin of the 
> Fleur-de-Lis and whether it is or is not an Iris. 
> Clarence reminded us 
> several years ago in Roots of Mrs. Peckham's 
> discovery of the use of a similar 
> motif in Roman iconography--a  "Sprout"--associated
> with the demi-goddess 
> Spes--Hope-- and he has expanded that  research
> along other useful and interesting 
> lines as well. I myself think  it is an even older
> motif, albeit one associated 
> with a crop god,  Triptolemus. Crop gods always tend
> to involve notions of Hope.
>  
> Much ink has been devoted to the legend of King
> Clovis and the origin  of the 
> phrase Fleur de Lis-- Lys-- Luce-- with some
> versions of the name as  Fleur 
> de Louis and so on and so forth forever with
> variations right up to  the 
> display of the golden motif on the banner of the
> Bourbon kings of  France. The iris 
> generally thought to be the Iris of Clovis, if  he
> actually had one, is Iris 
> pseudacorus, the magnificent golden flag,  now in
> some juridictions deemed a 
> noxious weed.  
>  
> Anyway, what the article in Wiki suggests is that
> the evolution of  language 
> may play a highly meaningful role in the story. In
> other  words, the Fleur de 
> Louis may be the Fleur de Clovis. I  don't have
> enough background in this area 
> to do other than toss  out the link for the
> amusement of any who may be 
> intrigued. This may  actually be old news to many.
> Possibly even I  once knew it 
> and forgot  it, which happens from time to time as
> my memory becomes more and 
> more like  a pack rat's nest. 
>  
> _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_I_ 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_I) 
>  
> Cordially,
>  
> Anner Whitehead
> Richmond VA USA 

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