Re: Pedigree Analysis -- was Database for Tracking Irises

While speaking of ROMANTIC EVENING and its aphylla ancestry, here's a photo
of 01J14: (CHAMPAGNE ELEGANCE x LADY FRIEND) x ROMANTIC EVENING.  Does that
have the aphylla look?  --  Griff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil A Mogensen" <neilm@charter.net>
To: "Iris-talk" <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] Pedigree Analysis -- was Database for Tracking Irises


> Back in my teens and twenties I spent long hours filling up paper with
> pedigree charts.  I found the work fascinating, as I was growing many of
the
> ancient historics appearing in those pedigrees thanks to a very generous
> retired Judge and RVP who lived a few miles from me.  She generously
loaned me
> her '39 CL, and I had the '49--and bought the '59 when it came out.  In
> addition, back in those years, the annual Registrations and Introductions
were
> mailed out to all the membership instead of being bought separately.
>
> My copies of the annual R&I's were read and marked as avidly as the Check
> Lists.  It was an education on what bred what.
>
> Dave, I'm about 12 years ahead of you, I think, in laying aside those
> responsibilities that mean I *must* get up and go, meet other peoples'
> expectations and so on.  Now, it's my wife who has expectations, and she
is
> *much* harder to say "no" to than to those others I used to be obligated
to.
>
> So--now that I'm retired, I can play with pedigrees, sleep in, get up in
the
> middle of the night and crack open the TWOI or anything else I find
> interesting, and once it is daylight either stay in or go out to putter in
the
> garden, at least as long as I remember to set out the garbage on Wednesday
> mornings and do a few other chores with such things as bank
reconciliations,
> paying the monthlies and so on.
>
> As to how many generations matter---let me share a tale.  In researching
the
> ancestry of 'Romantic Evening' the first time I went all the way back on
parts
> of the pedigree.  Sometimes Joe Ghio's pedigrees are difficult to
untangle,
> even though they are written meticulously well.  I found his habit of
breeding
> half-sibs--or three-quarter sibs--sure did open up space on the pedigree
chart
> to pursue further generations on the other lines.
>
> Then I forgot some of those deep roots of 'Romantic Evening's' ancestry
and
> much later got involved in a discussion in Iris-talk about the curious
effect
> the Progenitor-based dominant amoena I(s) factor has with RE.  I made some
> remark about the variety acted as if there were aphylla ancestry involved
but
> I could not see any.
>
> Mike Lowe responded that back that in the seventeenth generation in
'Romantic
> Evening's' past there were several instances of aphylla derived varieties.
I
> went back to my digging and took the whole pedigree back beyond eighteen
> generations and uncovered even more.  'Black Forest' and other sources of
> 'black' breeding, owing the depth of color presumably to Iris aphylla
> modifiers or pigments, were present.
>
> Influences reappearing that many generations later is astounding!  They
were,
> however, and I see even more evidence of the influence in children and
> grandchildren of 'Romantic Evening.'
>
> Usually in four or five generations are sufficient to uncover all the
> information that matters for the moment--but in some cases, very deep
> multi-generation digging is productive.  It is also rather fun.
>
> Neil Mogensen  z 7 western NC mountains--where we are back to rain, rain,
> rain.
>
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