Re: HYB: stratification seeds - another experiment
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  • Subject: Re: HYB: stratification seeds - another experiment
  • From: B* W* <1*@rewrite.hort.net>
  • Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:32:07 -0400 (EDT)
Moldy seed sprout for me, too.



Betty Wilkerson
Zone 6 KY
autmirislvr@aol.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Barb Johnson <73d454751@rewrite.hort.net>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: stratification seeds - another experiment


Adam Mueller from Kansas said once that mold didn't hurt his germination
either. -- Barb J.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Mann" <101l@rewrite.hort.net>
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: stratification seeds - another experiment


> Yay Betty!
>
> Have you scheduled the shoulder yet?
>
> Oh yeah, stratifying seeds.  First time I put fresh seeds in the fridge, I
> put them in pod and all, figuring the pod would provide any extra moisture
> they needed and also figured that would be close-ish to nature's way.
> Stalk breaks off, pod hits the ground etc.
>
> That worked well for the seeds, not so much for the hybridizer - some of
> the pods decomposed with dignity during the 2 to 4 months in the fridge,
> others went via soft rot and were a nasty mess to clean up.  Germination
> was about as always - all over the place - high % for some, zero for some,
> avg around half, I think.  I think I posted about this earlier, but Chuck
> didn't remember I was chilling fresh seeds, so thought I'd share again.
>
> After that mess, I went back to burrito.  Then tried Chuck's method of
> peat moss, but too hard to see the seeds, went back to burrito.  Last year
> tried a wadded up barely damp paper towel stuck in the individual baggies
> so I could inspect seeds without having to unwrap them.  That worked
> pretty well, & as always, some pods germinate, some don't, & Immortality
> erratically procrastinates.  On FB, Chuck reports IMM kids are doing the
> same for him.  (IMM X Queen Dorothy or reverse, I forget which).
>
> Some of the seeds grew some fur (mold), but it didn't seem to hurt them
> any.
>
> So I'm trying this new half an apple routine this year, no paper towels,
> baggies loosely closed with a twist tie, then in a bigger zip lock with
> the apple for moisture.
>
>  On 7/15/2014 5:04 PM, Betty Wilkerson wrote:
>> done!  two weeks before i'm able to remove bandage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Betty Wilkerson
>> Zone 6 KY
>> autmirislvr@aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Linda Mann <101l@rewrite.hort.net>
>> To: iris <iris@hort.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Jul 15, 2014 3:10 am
>> Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: stratification seeds - another experiment
>>
>>
>> Ripening fruit, including apples, give off ethylene, which promotes seed
>> germination.
>>
>> Are you fixed already?
>>
>> On 7/13/2014 12:25 PM, Betty Wilkerson wrote:
>>> Linda, I would only question the chemicals given off by the apple.  I
>>> seem
>> to
>>> remember apple being used to promote . . . . bla, bla, bla.
>>>
>>>
>>> Betty Wilkerson
>>> Zone 6 KY
>>> autmirislvr@aol.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Linda Mann <101l@rewrite.hort.net>
>>> To: iris <iris@hort.net>
>>> Sent: Thu, Jul 10, 2014 4:26 pm
>>> Subject: [iris] HYB: stratification seeds - another experiment
>>>
>>>
>>> This year, I'm putting fresh (not dried) seeds straight into a baggie
>>> (no towel, or added moisture), closing it (not sealed) with a twist tie,
>>> then into a bigger zip lock bag, zipped ~90% closed, with half an apple
>>> for moisture.
>>>
>>> First seeds went in Sunday (today is Thursday), and I like what I see -
>>> a few drops of moisture condensing from the apple on the inside of the
>>> ziplock.  Just right.  I got the idea of using a cut apple from what we
>>> used to do to soften brown sugar after it turned into a brick - cut
>>> piece of apple, close up the box, and like magic, the next day it would
>>> be soft again.
>>>
>>> I've not been happy with moisture/air circulation for my stratifying
>>> seeds.  Used to wrap seeds in a slightly damp paper towel burrito style,
>>> but had to unwrap to inspect seeds, sometimes forgot to monitor them and
>>> lost a cross now and then.  Plants are so stressed here, they produce a
>>> lot (?) of seeds that aren't viable anyway, so never was sure if it was
>>> the burrito or the seeds.
>>>
>>> Last year, I tried a damp paper towel inside the sandwich baggies, but
>>> not wrapped around the seeds.  Just wadded up on top of them.  But I
>>> wasn't totally happy with that either.  I could see the seeds, but
>>> moisture wasn't consistent enough to suit me.  & some got a bit 'furry'.
>>>
>>> Because of erratic viability, % that sprout won't tell me a lot, but if
>>> the seeds that start out looking good are still looking good, I'll be
>>> happy.  Only one cross with a lot of good looking seeds so far, much
>>> worse breeding season than usual this year.  Some of the seeds that look
>>> bad from other crosses will probably be ok. Few seeds.
>>>
>>> Linda Mann
>>>
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