Re: HYB: self incompatibility (was PHOTOS striped standard MTB see...

You are quite right Anner!

Some iris have these self incompatible genes and some don't.
I have made a large number of self crosses and a good number take. I havn't kept track, but it isn't too much different in terms of percentage takes then regular crosses. If you look in the R&I books you will see lots of sib crosses. Sib to sib crosses would have a a lot of the incompatibility problems that selfing would have, so the takes show that the self incompatibility gene is not likely present in those plants. A good number of bee pods turn out to be self crosses
By the way, I made 25 crosses today ( a lot of SDBs have damaged blooms from late frosts and over winter damage, so not many plants to choose from) and five of those were self crosses. Sometimes I self good seedlings just to check on presence of self incompatibility genes. 

Chuck Chapman

Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:05:02 EDT
From: ChatOWhitehall@aol.com
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB: self incompatibility (was PHOTOS striped standard 
MTB see...

In a message dated 6/1/2009 9:36:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lmann@lock-net.com writes:

don't  know if it's the right system for bearded irises, but I've read
that in  some other plants, the pollen won't grow down the styles if it
has an  incompatibility gene that matches one of the incompatibility
genes that the pod parent has. The plants own pollen would always have a 
match and so  would always be not-compatible. Offspring would have at
least half of their pollen matching (and so those pollen grains would be 
incompatible),  sometimes all would be incompatible. This system helps
ensure that  outbreeding to unrelated irises will occur.



In some irises, self-incompatibility arises at least in part from the
plant's own pollen and own stigmatic lip simply not being ready simultaneously, 

a factor which conceivably may, if only in part, be  genetically
determined.
I am reliably informed this is the case with certain Juno species, whose primary mode of self-perpetuation, as it were, is bulblets, rather than 
seeds.

Cordially,

Anner Whitehead
Richmond VA USA

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