Re: HYB: self incompatibility

Interesting.
Because successful crosses here are hard to come by a lot of years, I've saved and planted quite a few bee pods.
Some have been on cultivars that haven't cooperated by producing pollen, so those are clearly not selfs.
Some have been on cultivars where I attempted crosses with no luck & seedlings have looked suspiciously like they came from the added pollen. The HELEN COLLINGWOOD X bee, with attempted ROMANTIC EVENING pollen on nearby but earlier blooms, sure look like they are HC X RE. I assumed the little pollen scavengers moved on to the next bloom, taking some pollen with them. Carefully sealed in a little plastic container to keep it dry and viable ;-)
Other bee babies have been different enough from known parent and grandparents that I've assumed somebody else donated the pollen - one that comes to mind is a group of seedlings from one of the cream (IMM X CSONG) seedlings - a dark red, some pastel browns with form and "presence" not particularly reminiscent of the parent. I guess they <could> be selfed, but seems unlikely - I'd expect mostly white seedlings from a self of this one or its sibs. ?
Another batch of bee babies from the lavender self (IMM X CSONG) probably are selfed, now that I think about it - they've all been white or pale yellow, & other traits of stalk, form etc could easily be a 're-mix' of grandparent genes. 

Ridiculously robust and not a rebloomer among them.

Linda Mann
TN

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