Re: Limbo seedlings
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  • Subject: Re: Limbo seedlings
  • From: &* a* M* E* <f*@q.com>
  • Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:55:48 -0700
I feel that there is danger in releasing to the public seedlings that though beautiful are not quite worthy of registration and introduction. First: One goal as hybridizers should be to improve irises. If we allow even slightly inferior cultivars to be diseminated-among the public, we are not being faithful to that goal. Second: These nameless seedlings are certain to become confused with look alike named varieties to the detriment of the named varieties and to the people who buy them misnamed. I know we all have favorite seedlings like this. I always say, "I'll keep it until I need the room for something better". When I am excited about the better one, I find it doesn't hurt to let the lesser one go. 
Francelle Edwards
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From: "Paul Archer" <pharcher@mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:09 AM
To: <iris@hort.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] Limbo seedlings
I'll post this again with a different heading since there was not a single response (yea or nay) the last time I posted it and the general chatter has died down for a while.
I had an idea, not sure how I feel about it (or how anybody else would) but worth a shot to consider.
I'm guessing this is how many hybridizers feel and there is no reason they shouldn't. Many of us hybridizers have seedlings that we feel are not quite worthy of Introduction status, but are still real advancements in one way or another. We hate to get rid of them but want to make use of them instead of letting them disappear into oblivion after all our work. Some of us contact each other to see if we can trade or purchase these seedlings that we have posted pictures of or described
Maybe we could create a Forum where Hybridizers can post pictures of these plants "in limbo" for others to purchase or trade with what they have or maybe even something like the ASI Plant Sale where it can be centrally distributed from. This allows others to access the unique genetics a particular plant may have that may not be Introduction worthy and the Hybridizer/Introducer doesn't feel they have to hold on to it and propagate it for years until they are just willing to let it go. I know I have a few like that and would like something to come of them and have had them for years. At some point I will just let them go and make room for other things.
Mike, if you decide your beautiful yellow and red rimmed seedling just isn't worthy enough for Introduction maybe it could fall into this category. This also reduces the amount of actual Registrations deals with and still makes you some money on it and it is not simply lost from disinterest in it. Plus if enough really good feedback is given on it you might change your mind and you go ahead in Introduce it. 

Paul Archer
Indianapolis


Original message:-----

Mike,
Ah...the dilemma. It is a beautiful seedling, one I would be proud to grow. So, commercially yes, it should be introduced. However, the bud thing bothers me as well. The reason 7 buds are required is so that a clump will stay in bloom for 2 weeks. The number one criticism that I hear about our favorite flower is that they bloom for such a short time. If we start/continue the practise of introducing, and propogating iris that only have 5, or fewer, buds and will not stay in bloom for two weeks then we are shooting ourselves in the foot. I grow and love many iris that are beautiful in flower and form and will never receive a vote on a ballot because they do not perform up to specifications. There is nothing wrong with that. Many iris are commercially successful without being award worthy and there is nothing wrong with that either. Now that I have alienated most of this list, LOL, I will say that I am glad it isn't my decision to make!! Tough choice. 

Dana


Dana Brown
ddbro@sbcglobal.net
Malevil Iris Gardens & Kennels
www.malevil-iris.com

I own a dog and I vote!!





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From: Michael Sutton <orders@suttoniris.com>
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 9:14:26 AM
Subject: [iris-photos] intro help
need feedback please..... very bright well formed seedling.... sometimes only 5 buds, will vary from 5 to 7 averaging 6. From a commercial standpoint this probably should be introduced, but the bud issue kind of bothers me. it is also a great parent.... should it be introduced? any help would be greatly appreciated, btw the band on the falls is very, very red in the garden. 
Mike Sutton

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