RE: Re: Limbo Seedlings
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  • Subject: RE: Re: Limbo Seedlings
  • From: &* B* <d*@sbcglobal.net>
  • Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:56:27 -0500
Paul,
	Just imagine how much worse it would be if all the seconds and culls
were floating around out there as well.  If your "limbo" seedlings are
better than so many of the current intros, then kudos to you for being a
discerning hybridizer/irisarian!!  Why would you want to lower your
standards at this point?  
	As far as all the tracking and record keeping....well, given the
number of misnamed or no name iris already out there I guess we already know
that not everyone keeps good records.
	Bottom line for me as a hybridizer, no, I don't want to send my
second class seedlings out in public where they might get released into
general population.  

Dana

Dana D. Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Archer
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:33 PM
To: Iris chat forum
Subject: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings

I agree with that as well.  However, considering the sheer amount of
Registered plants I have paid good money for and turned out to be complete
crap for various reasons and most of my "limbo" seedlings surpass the ones I
bought, and by that standard maybe I should be Registering a whole lot more.
Also some Registered plants make very poor parents once I get seeds from
them, yet they were Registered by the Hybridizer anyway.  The assumption
that a Registered plant is a worthy parent is mute.  But sorry to burst your
bubble but the danger of releasing poor plant has already been surpassed
numerous times and is now and endemic problem, yet may great cultivars are
coming from these very plants through selection efforts.  The difference is
the Hybridizer standard of which mine is very high.  

It could also be said that those "limbo" seedlings that would be released
into this proposed program would need to be kept track of by the purchaser
and Hybridizer and not released as a cultivar for the sheer sake of
propagation purposes unless it has been evaluated by numerous people,
feedback reported on, and the decision made by the Hybridizer to remove it
from "limbo" list and actually Registered.  Yes, that takes some work, but
that prevents the seedling being distributed under a false name or confusion
and is certainly no worse than distributing the Registered ones that I would
just as soon toss the second or third year I've seen them bloom.
That is likely the root cause of much of the problem we have occuring today.



Original message:-------


I feel that there is danger in releasing to the public seedlings that though

beautiful are not quite worthy of registration and introduction.
First:  One goal as hybridizers should be to improve irises.  If we allow 
even slightly inferior cultivars to be diseminated-among the public, we are 
not being faithful to that goal.   Second:  These nameless seedlings are 
certain to become confused with look alike named varieties to the detriment 
of the named varieties and to the people who buy them misnamed.
I know we all have favorite seedlings like this.  I always say, "I'll keep 
it until I need the room for something better".  When I am excited about the

better one, I find it doesn't hurt to let the lesser one go.
Francelle Edwards

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