Re: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
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  • Subject: Re: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
  • From: P* A* <p*@mindspring.com>
  • Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 13:44:21 -0400 (EDT)
I personally select for plants with the following (since I breed TB's, MTB's, Intermediates and Arilbreds)...    

First off, each cross has a particular goal for a flower characteristic.  If a flower meets that goal or something unique shows up then the following is evaluated...

-Flowers that have good bloom substance (more then two days of life).  I would always like 3 days but that is 
 slim pickin's. 
-Upright foliage
-Disease resistance (as well as blue-green foliage)
-Stalks that do not need staking
-Good branching (not as easy as it might seem) 
-At least two increases to bloom size 
-Proper proportion (regardless of class).
-Bud count of at least 8 with a goal of triple sockets and/or lower branches
-Rebloom if possible


First year seedlings are evaluated for color and general growth.  The second year is make it or break it unless foul weather has played a role in general.  If any one or two of those qualities is missing in a seedlng (but the flower must be exceptional) it is selected as breeding stock.  Any more than two faults is usually tossed. I do have one plant that is an exception to that rule and I will never, ever distribute it.  Once I get what I want from it it will get tossed.

Arilbreds are something else altogether and have their own set of issues, but similarly judged.

  

-----Original Message-----
>From: autmirislvr@aol.com
>Sent: Jun 20, 2010 12:14 PM
>To: iris@hort.net
>Subject: [iris]:HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
>
>This is a side issue to the Limbo Seedling thread.
>
>So many things to consider.
>
><<second class seedlings>>
>
>An improvement might be a taller specimen, more branches, longer bloom season,
>deeper colors, etc..What are your goals and how do they mesh with what the
>rest of us like?
>
>
>Would some of the hybridizers on this list please give us some idea of what
>they consider an advancement?  What are your goals?  What are you trying to
>improve in the irises you breed?   Specifically, what would it take to be a
>"first class" seedling in your garden?
>
>Each hybridizer has their own goals.  To an extent, an advancement or "better"
>iris is in the eye of the beholder.
>
>Feed Back, please!
>
>Betty Wilkerson . . . extremely fussy about colors and patterns.
>Bridge In Time Irises
>KY Zone 6
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dana Brown <ddbro@sbcglobal.net>
>To: iris@hort.net
>Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:56 am
>Subject: RE: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings
>
>
>Paul,
>   Just imagine how much worse it would be if all the seconds and culls
>ere floating around out there as well.  If your "limbo" seedlings are
>etter than so many of the current intros, then kudos to you for being a
>iscerning hybridizer/irisarian!!  Why would you want to lower your
>tandards at this point?
>   As far as all the tracking and record keeping....well, given the
>umber of misnamed or no name iris already out there I guess we already know
>hat not everyone keeps good records.
>   Bottom line for me as a hybridizer, no, I don't want to send my
>econd class seedlings out in public where they might get released into
>eneral population.
>Dana
>Dana D. Brown
>IS, ASI, MIS, RIS, SPIS, TBIS
>alevil Iris Gardens & Kennels
>ww.malevil-iris.com
>ubbock, TX  79403
>one 7 USDA, Zone 10 Sunset
>dbro@sbcglobal.net
>Home of:
>errimac's Amarula CGC TDI
>H. Merrimac the Agean CD, RA, CGC, TDI
>
>----Original Message-----
>rom: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Paul
>rcher
>ent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:33 PM
>o: Iris chat forum
>ubject: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings
>I agree with that as well.  However, considering the sheer amount of
>egistered plants I have paid good money for and turned out to be complete
>rap for various reasons and most of my "limbo" seedlings surpass the ones I
>ought, and by that standard maybe I should be Registering a whole lot more.
>lso some Registered plants make very poor parents once I get seeds from
>hem, yet they were Registered by the Hybridizer anyway.  The assumption
>hat a Registered plant is a worthy parent is mute.  But sorry to burst your
>ubble but the danger of releasing poor plant has already been surpassed
>umerous times and is now and endemic problem, yet may great cultivars are
>oming from these very plants through selection efforts.  The difference is
>he Hybridizer standard of which mine is very high.
>It could also be said that those "limbo" seedlings that would be released
>nto this proposed program would need to be kept track of by the purchaser
>nd Hybridizer and not released as a cultivar for the sheer sake of
>ropagation purposes unless it has been evaluated by numerous people,
>eedback reported on, and the decision made by the Hybridizer to remove it
>rom "limbo" list and actually Registered.  Yes, that takes some work, but
>hat prevents the seedling being distributed under a false name or confusion
>nd is certainly no worse than distributing the Registered ones that I would
>ust as soon toss the second or third year I've seen them bloom.
>hat is likely the root cause of much of the problem we have occuring today.
>
>Original message:-------
>
> feel that there is danger in releasing to the public seedlings that though
>beautiful are not quite worthy of registration and introduction.
>irst:  One goal as hybridizers should be to improve irises.  If we allow
>ven slightly inferior cultivars to be diseminated-among the public, we are
>ot being faithful to that goal.   Second:  These nameless seedlings are
>ertain to become confused with look alike named varieties to the detriment
>f the named varieties and to the people who buy them misnamed.
> know we all have favorite seedlings like this.  I always say, "I'll keep
>t until I need the room for something better".  When I am excited about the
>better one, I find it doesn't hurt to let the lesser one go.
>rancelle Edwards
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