Re: RE:HYB: Pallida

Jeff, thanks for looking up the parent of 'Paltec'.  I forgot to do it last
night.

'Edina' is obviously not pure pallida, there is little question of that.
In fact it is so obvious that it surprises me that the name 'Paltec' was
chosen.  I was actually thinking yesterday that the bearded parent may have
been 'Celeste', which looks a lot more like pure I. pallida (but isn't).

'Edina' is one of those mid 1800's Lemon cultivars where no parentage is
known (at least I don't think it is).  ['Celeste' happens to be one of
these too.]  It is a bit unusual in it's pattern (which leans strongly
toward I. variegata, but also has a fairly strong plicata expression in the
standards).  It has several other traits that point to I. variegata as
well.  As I recall it has PBF (but don't count that as a definite
observation; I need to check my plants and notes; the memory may be wrong),
and it has a bit wider branching than most I. pallida.  It has green in the
spathes too.

Also, maybe not relevant, maybe so, 'Edina' has a tendency to produce
mutated tepals that don't know if they are falls or standards; and I've
seen this fairly often in occasional flowers of other cultivars of mixed
blood.

All circumstantial evidence, but together strong enough to rule out pure I.
pallida and make I. variegata a strong suspect in the impropriety.  Of
course one glance of the flower will give the same reaction.

Here's the flattie tendency of a suspected 'Edina' as shown by Jean Witt's
photo at the HIPS website.  I've had the same sort of flowers occasionally
pop up on my 'Edina' plants, and her's looks like 'Edina' to me.  Kind'a
pretty in a twisted sort of way.

http://www.worldiris.com/public_html/Unknowns/Unknown%27s_html/Witt_antique_flattie.html
http://www.worldiris.com/public_html/Quick_Fixes/Q_Edina_alt.html

Here's the same thing going on with 'Loreley'.  I've seen it in several
other apparent I. pallida x I. variegata cultivars, and 'Rhythm' and
'Clematis' appear to be extreme examples that have gone all the way to
"flattie" with only an occasional flower mixed up or rarely quite "normal".

tending to flattie:
http://www.worldiris.com/public_html/Quick_Fixes/Q_Loreley_S.html
"normal":
http://www.worldiris.com/public_html/Quick_Fixes/Q_Loreley_G.html

Of course, anyone paying attention will notice a chink in the flattie
argument.  'Little Freak' appears to be a pure plicata I. pallida, and it
is (most flowers) a true flattie.  Don't know of any flattie I. variegata
myself.


Dave

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