Re: iris DIGEST V1 #507

I ship to most EU countries and the ONLY one I have trouble with to date is ITALY.
Their own webpage for Ag says they will except but they did not last year except mine to Bianco... 

This year is going to push the envelope on ITALY...

Denise
sorry to reply but can not seem to post any longer

Denise Stewart
Snowpeak Iris and Daylilies, LLC
38956 Lacomb Dr
Lebanon, OR 97355
541-259-2343
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iris DIGEST Wednesday, March 5 2008 Volume 01 : Number 507 



In this issue:

       Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping
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       Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping
       [iris] Re: overseas shipping
       Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping
       Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping
       Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping
       Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping
       [iris] Malevil Iris Gardens
       Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping
       Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping

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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:19:34 -0500
From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping

Mike, Anita, Loic  --  Do you know whether AIS or any other horticultural
societies are taking any action to try to alleviate these problems?  The
problems for commercial shippers are obvious, but it also has to discourage 
private individuals from attempting to enter international competitions or
to simply exchange plants with other hybridizers or growers overseas.  --
Griff
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



Yep, but it is the red tape on the other end that is the large problem.
Shipping to the EU has become a huge hassle, seems to be some sort of
political tit for tat going on at both ends.  Several other overseas
countries have long and difficult quarantine stipulations. Understand the 
reasons but it sure is making it hard to ship overseas.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



One of our commercial gardens has stopped shipping overseas because of
what
they describe as insurmountable U.S. government red tape.  Has anyone
else had
this problem?  --  Griff





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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:29:31 -0800
From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping

Dept. of Ag in our area is working on stuff.  haven't heard of much
progress.
Mike
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



Mike, Anita, Loic  --  Do you know whether AIS or any other horticultural
societies are taking any action to try to alleviate these problems?  The
problems for commercial shippers are obvious, but it also has to
discourage private individuals from attempting to enter international
competitions or to simply exchange plants with other hybridizers or
growers overseas.  --  Griff
----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



Yep, but it is the red tape on the other end that is the large problem.
Shipping to the EU has become a huge hassle, seems to be some sort of
political tit for tat going on at both ends.  Several other overseas
countries have long and difficult quarantine stipulations.  Understand
the reasons but it sure is making it hard to ship overseas.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



One of our commercial gardens has stopped shipping overseas because of
what
they describe as insurmountable U.S. government red tape.  Has anyone
else had
this problem?  --  Griff





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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:15:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping

Griff; I hate to admit that i am not an expert on
overseas shipping. But I do know this; The American
Iris Society does recieve information about the
problems of overseas shipping mostly into but partly
out of this country. I can not speak for the board but
even though I feel the AIS shoould have a stand on
these policies we can not act as advocates because of
our non-profit status. But we can keep our membership
informed. Unfortunately there are so many problems for
the board to deal with, I am afraid not every issue
gets as much interest as is warranted. I will not
suggest that we are on top of things. I will note that
many of us care and struggle with the essence of what
is happening. One plant society alone can not expect
to deal with these issues. There are several people in
the society that have been trying to somewhat keep in
touch. i am one, but admit to not doing a very good
job on this issue. But we are in communication with
other plant societies that have been doing a better
job of monitering regulations. I will suggest to Roy
that maybe we need a person who can connect and
moniter these things better. Any volunteers? The North
American Rock Garden Society seems to be more on top
of thes events better than anyone. Perhaps we need to
have some sort of formal information sharing
arrangement with them. There already is some sharing
informally. Even so our members need to be
communicating with AIS also. The governnment
bureaucracy is so large that it requires many people
to help understand it. I believe it would be useful to
have a designated person in AIS who could try to keep
track of the regulations but I don't see any
volunteers.


- --- "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> wrote:


Mike, Anita, Loic  --  Do you know whether AIS or
any other horticultural
societies are taking any action to try to alleviate
these problems?  The
problems for commercial shippers are obvious, but it
also has to discourage
private individuals from attempting to enter
international competitions or
to simply exchange plants with other hybridizers or
growers overseas.  --
Griff
----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping


> Yep, but it is the red tape on the other end that
is the large problem.
> Shipping to the EU has become a huge hassle, seems
to be some sort of
> political tit for tat going on at both ends.
Several other overseas
> countries have long and difficult quarantine
stipulations.  Understand the
> reasons but it sure is making it hard to ship
overseas.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> 
> To: <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:56 PM
> Subject: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping
>
>
>> One of our commercial gardens has stopped
shipping overseas because of
>> what
>> they describe as insurmountable U.S. government
red tape.  Has anyone
>> else had
>> this problem?  --  Griff
>>
>>


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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:17:24 -0800
From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com>
Subject: [iris] Re: overseas shipping

Hi Griff,
We don't seem to have any problems importing, in fact none, other than phyto 
certs.  It might be difficult for the overseas folks to ship here but the
acquisition on this end is easy.  Getting iris out to other countries is
extremely difficult, especially those with quarantine requirements.  Two
years ago we couldn't ship anything to EU countries as they had put up an
insurmountable barrier.  That was eased last year a bit but required
inspections of the gardens 3 times per year by a Dept. of Ag official.
Hopefully everybody has their head on straight now and things will go
smoothly both ways....
We were told that a large part of the problem is that iris are such a small crop $$wise that not many resources or effort is focused on the problems. I 
guess we will just have to make iris a much bigger crop....:-)
Mike Sutton

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:17:50 -0500
From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping

Mike and Bob Pries  --  Thanks for your replies.  The last time I shipped
anything was 2 1/2 years ago.  As an individual, non-commercial shipper, I
simply had to set up an appointment for the Dept of Agriculture inspector to 
visit here and inspect the materials (rhizomes) I proposed to ship.  That
part was easy.  There was a fee of $23 to cover administrative costs and
issue the phyto-sanitary certificate, but I was surprised to learn that that 
was for each package, no matter that they were looked at during the same
visit. This seems to me to be unreasonable. While a commercial shipper can 
recover the cost by adding it to the price of the items shipped, that
doesn't apply to the non-commercial shipper. Still, the fact that even some 
commercial growers are being discouraged from shipping overseas is
worrisome.  Your experience, Mike, of things getting better last year
unfortunately wasn't shared by everyone.  It was last year that one such
grower of my acquaintance, describing the last attempted shipment (to
England) as a "nightmare", said that, after several frustrated attempts to
process the paperwork, the inspector simply gave up. And so did the grower. 
In that case, it seemed that the problem resulted from the then-recent
reclassification of irises as perennials.

Perhaps this is something we should try to keep an eye on to see if things
do improve this year.  Could a notice in the Bulletin solicit growers'
experiences as a means of focusing attention and possible action on the
problem?  Dealing with multiple bureaucracies ain't gonna be easy.  --
Griff
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: [iris] Re: overseas shipping



Hi Griff,
We don't seem to have any problems importing, in fact none, other than
phyto certs.  It might be difficult for the overseas folks to ship here
but the acquisition on this end is easy.  Getting iris out to other
countries is extremely difficult, especially those with quarantine
requirements.  Two years ago we couldn't ship anything to EU countries as
they had put up an insurmountable barrier. That was eased last year a bit 
but required inspections of the gardens 3 times per year by a Dept. of Ag
official. Hopefully everybody has their head on straight now and things
will go smoothly both ways....
We were told that a large part of the problem is that iris are such a
small crop $$wise that not many resources or effort is focused on the
problems.  I guess we will just have to make iris a much bigger
crop....:-)
Mike Sutton



------------------------------

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:35:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping

Griff:

i have not been involved in international
interchanges for several years but i can tell you that
it is becoming more dificult and the future seems to
be headed in a direction that will be even worse.
There are hearings that come about from time to time
and I have passed along some of this information.
unfortunately there does not seem to be any great
interest unless an individual is directly involved. It
seems that unless we are vigilant we keep loosing more
and more of our rights. The recent change to the
department of homeland security has only made things
more dificult. I am guilty about not speaking out
enough at the right times but i suspect most of us are
ignorant of the details and few want to spend the time
to acquaint themselves with the issues. We get the
government we deserve. I wish there was someone who
could follow some of this and could do a better job of
alerting us at crucial moments.



- --- "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> wrote:


Mike and Bob Pries  --  Thanks for your replies.
The last time I shipped
anything was 2 1/2 years ago.  As an individual,
non-commercial shipper, I
simply had to set up an appointment for the Dept of
Agriculture inspector to
visit here and inspect the materials (rhizomes) I
proposed to ship.  That
part was easy.  There was a fee of $23 to cover
administrative costs and
issue the phyto-sanitary certificate, but I was
surprised to learn that that
was for each package, no matter that they were
looked at during the same
visit.  This seems to me to be unreasonable.  While
a commercial shipper can
recover the cost by adding it to the price of the
items shipped, that
doesn't apply to the non-commercial shipper.  Still,
the fact that even some
commercial growers are being discouraged from
shipping overseas is
worrisome.  Your experience, Mike, of things getting
better last year
unfortunately wasn't shared by everyone.  It was
last year that one such
grower of my acquaintance, describing the last
attempted shipment (to
England) as a "nightmare", said that, after several
frustrated attempts to
process the paperwork, the inspector simply gave up.
 And so did the grower.
In that case, it seemed that the problem resulted
from the then-recent
reclassification of irises as perennials.

Perhaps this is something we should try to keep an
eye on to see if things
do improve this year.  Could a notice in the
Bulletin solicit growers'
experiences as a means of focusing attention and
possible action on the
problem?  Dealing with multiple bureaucracies ain't
gonna be easy.  --
Griff
----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: [iris] Re: overseas shipping


> Hi Griff,
> We don't seem to have any problems importing, in
fact none, other than
> phyto certs.  It might be difficult for the
overseas folks to ship here
> but the acquisition on this end is easy.  Getting
iris out to other
> countries is extremely difficult, especially those
with quarantine
> requirements.  Two years ago we couldn't ship
anything to EU countries as
> they had put up an insurmountable barrier.  That
was eased last year a bit
> but required inspections of the gardens 3 times
per year by a Dept. of Ag
> official. Hopefully everybody has their head on
straight now and things
> will go smoothly both ways....
> We were told that a large part of the problem is
that iris are such a
> small crop $$wise that not many resources or
effort is focused on the
> problems.  I guess we will just have to make iris
a much bigger
> crop....:-)
> Mike Sutton

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:07:56 -0800 (PST)
From: christian foster <flatnflashy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping

Hey Mike,
I was trying to find someone in the Dept of Ag to speak to on a related subject. Could you tell me what department is in charge of such things? 

 Christian

sutton's iris gardens <info@suttoniris.com> wrote:
 Dept. of Ag in our area is working on stuff. haven't heard of much
progress.
Mike
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Griffin Crump" 
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



Mike, Anita, Loic -- Do you know whether AIS or any other horticultural
societies are taking any action to try to alleviate these problems? The
problems for commercial shippers are obvious, but it also has to
discourage private individuals from attempting to enter international
competitions or to simply exchange plants with other hybridizers or
growers overseas. -- Griff
----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" 
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



Yep, but it is the red tape on the other end that is the large problem.
Shipping to the EU has become a huge hassle, seems to be some sort of
political tit for tat going on at both ends. Several other overseas
countries have long and difficult quarantine stipulations. Understand
the reasons but it sure is making it hard to ship overseas.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Griffin Crump" 
To:
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping



One of our commercial gardens has stopped shipping overseas because of
what
they describe as insurmountable U.S. government red tape. Has anyone
else had
this problem? -- Griff





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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:10:12 -0800 (PST)
From: christian foster <flatnflashy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping

<volunteers>

 if someone can just point me in the right direction....

 christian

Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
 Griff; I hate to admit that i am not an expert on
overseas shipping. But I do know this; The American
Iris Society does recieve information about the
problems of overseas shipping mostly into but partly
out of this country. I can not speak for the board but
even though I feel the AIS shoould have a stand on
these policies we can not act as advocates because of
our non-profit status. But we can keep our membership
informed. Unfortunately there are so many problems for
the board to deal with, I am afraid not every issue
gets as much interest as is warranted. I will not
suggest that we are on top of things. I will note that
many of us care and struggle with the essence of what
is happening. One plant society alone can not expect
to deal with these issues. There are several people in
the society that have been trying to somewhat keep in
touch. i am one, but admit to not doing a very good
job on this issue. But we are in communication with
other plant societies that have been doing a better
job of monitering regulations. I will suggest to Roy
that maybe we need a person who can connect and
moniter these things better. Any volunteers? The North
American Rock Garden Society seems to be more on top
of thes events better than anyone. Perhaps we need to
have some sort of formal information sharing
arrangement with them. There already is some sharing
informally. Even so our members need to be
communicating with AIS also. The governnment
bureaucracy is so large that it requires many people
to help understand it. I believe it would be useful to
have a designated person in AIS who could try to keep
track of the regulations but I don't see any
volunteers.


- --- "J. Griffin Crump" wrote:


Mike, Anita, Loic -- Do you know whether AIS or
any other horticultural
societies are taking any action to try to alleviate
these problems? The
problems for commercial shippers are obvious, but it
also has to discourage
private individuals from attempting to enter
international competitions or
to simply exchange plants with other hybridizers or
growers overseas. -- Griff
----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" 
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping


> Yep, but it is the red tape on the other end that
is the large problem.
> Shipping to the EU has become a huge hassle, seems
to be some sort of
> political tit for tat going on at both ends.
Several other overseas
> countries have long and difficult quarantine
stipulations. Understand the
> reasons but it sure is making it hard to ship
overseas.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Griffin Crump" 
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:56 PM
> Subject: [iris] MISC: overseas shipping
>
>
>> One of our commercial gardens has stopped
shipping overseas because of
>> what
>> they describe as insurmountable U.S. government
red tape. Has anyone
>> else had
>> this problem? -- Griff
>>
>>


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Subject: [iris] Malevil Iris Gardens
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:48:30 -0800
From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping
agreed. some encouraging news though, looks like ag related stuff is going 
to go back to the Dept. of Ag as opposed to homeland security.  not real
sure why Homeland was overseeing all the agricultural issues to begin
with.....will keep an eye on things and try to update when new info is out. 
we are in a huge ag county so there are a lot of hearings and meetings
taking place on a regular basis.  some of it pertains to iris and
import/export in general.  will pass on any info we receive.
Mike
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt R Pries" <rpries@sbcglobal.net> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping



Griff:

i have not been involved in international
interchanges for several years but i can tell you that
it is becoming more dificult and the future seems to
be headed in a direction that will be even worse.
There are hearings that come about from time to time
and I have passed along some of this information.
unfortunately there does not seem to be any great
interest unless an individual is directly involved. It
seems that unless we are vigilant we keep loosing more
and more of our rights. The recent change to the
department of homeland security has only made things
more dificult. I am guilty about not speaking out
enough at the right times but i suspect most of us are
ignorant of the details and few want to spend the time
to acquaint themselves with the issues. We get the
government we deserve. I wish there was someone who
could follow some of this and could do a better job of
alerting us at crucial moments.



--- "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> wrote:


Mike and Bob Pries  --  Thanks for your replies.
The last time I shipped
anything was 2 1/2 years ago.  As an individual,
non-commercial shipper, I
simply had to set up an appointment for the Dept of
Agriculture inspector to
visit here and inspect the materials (rhizomes) I
proposed to ship.  That
part was easy.  There was a fee of $23 to cover
administrative costs and
issue the phyto-sanitary certificate, but I was
surprised to learn that that
was for each package, no matter that they were
looked at during the same
visit.  This seems to me to be unreasonable.  While
a commercial shipper can
recover the cost by adding it to the price of the
items shipped, that
doesn't apply to the non-commercial shipper.  Still,
the fact that even some
commercial growers are being discouraged from
shipping overseas is
worrisome.  Your experience, Mike, of things getting
better last year
unfortunately wasn't shared by everyone.  It was
last year that one such
grower of my acquaintance, describing the last
attempted shipment (to
England) as a "nightmare", said that, after several
frustrated attempts to
process the paperwork, the inspector simply gave up.
 And so did the grower.
In that case, it seemed that the problem resulted
from the then-recent
reclassification of irises as perennials.

Perhaps this is something we should try to keep an
eye on to see if things
do improve this year.  Could a notice in the
Bulletin solicit growers'
experiences as a means of focusing attention and
possible action on the
problem?  Dealing with multiple bureaucracies ain't
gonna be easy.  --
Griff
----- Original Message ----- From: "sutton's iris gardens" <info@suttoniris.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: [iris] Re: overseas shipping


> Hi Griff,
> We don't seem to have any problems importing, in
fact none, other than
> phyto certs.  It might be difficult for the
overseas folks to ship here
> but the acquisition on this end is easy.  Getting
iris out to other
> countries is extremely difficult, especially those
with quarantine
> requirements.  Two years ago we couldn't ship
anything to EU countries as
> they had put up an insurmountable barrier.  That
was eased last year a bit
> but required inspections of the gardens 3 times
per year by a Dept. of Ag
> official. Hopefully everybody has their head on
straight now and things
> will go smoothly both ways....
> We were told that a large part of the problem is
that iris are such a
> small crop $$wise that not many resources or
effort is focused on the
> problems.  I guess we will just have to make iris
a much bigger
> crop....:-)
> Mike Sutton

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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:55:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping

Mike, Christian, Griff, et al,

To date; the information coming in to AIS is very
informal. As with everything it is dependent on
individuals. Am I hearing that Mike and Christian
might be willing to assimilate this information for
the society? At present I am unaware of any committee
in AIS that would accomplish this probably because no
one has volunteered. I do know that we do have some
laisons with other plant societies that have been
working on these issues. If such a committee were
created, it would be at the request of the president.
This thought would probably not come up unless their
were people willing to do the work. I am not a member
of the Perennial Plant Nurserymen's organization but
commercial groups like that seem to be more on top of
these things. The North American Rock Garden Society
has a person who has been following the import/export
problems. Since most members of this forum are
probably bored with this i would suggest caring on a
discussion off list so we could see what degree we are
interested in working on this.

- --- sutton's iris gardens <info@suttoniris.com> wrote:


agreed.  some encouraging news though, looks like ag
related stuff is going
to go back to the Dept. of Ag as opposed to homeland
security.  not real
sure why Homeland was overseeing all the
agricultural issues to begin
with.....will keep an eye on things and try to
update when new info is out.
we are in a huge ag county so there are a lot of
hearings and meetings
taking place on a regular basis.  some of it
pertains to iris and
import/export in general.  will pass on any info we
receive.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt R Pries" <rpries@sbcglobal.net> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: overseas shipping


> Griff:
>
> i have not been involved in international
> interchanges for several years but i can tell you
that
> it is becoming more dificult and the future seems
to
> be headed in a direction that will be even worse.
> There are hearings that come about from time to
time
> and I have passed along some of this information.
> unfortunately there does not seem to be any great
> interest unless an individual is directly
involved. It
> seems that unless we are vigilant we keep loosing
more
> and more of our rights. The recent change to the
> department of homeland security has only made
things
> more dificult. I am guilty about not speaking out
> enough at the right times but i suspect most of us
are
> ignorant of the details and few want to spend the
time
> to acquaint themselves with the issues. We get the
> government we deserve. I wish there was someone
who
> could follow some of this and could do a better
job of
> alerting us at crucial moments.
>
>
>
> --- "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike and Bob Pries  --  Thanks for your replies.
>> The last time I shipped
>> anything was 2 1/2 years ago.  As an individual,
>> non-commercial shipper, I
>> simply had to set up an appointment for the Dept
of
>> Agriculture inspector to
>> visit here and inspect the materials (rhizomes) I
>> proposed to ship.  That
>> part was easy.  There was a fee of $23 to cover
>> administrative costs and
>> issue the phyto-sanitary certificate, but I was
>> surprised to learn that that
>> was for each package, no matter that they were
>> looked at during the same
>> visit.  This seems to me to be unreasonable.
While
>> a commercial shipper can
>> recover the cost by adding it to the price of the
>> items shipped, that
>> doesn't apply to the non-commercial shipper.
Still,
>> the fact that even some
>> commercial growers are being discouraged from
>> shipping overseas is
>> worrisome.  Your experience, Mike, of things
getting
>> better last year
>> unfortunately wasn't shared by everyone.  It was
>> last year that one such
>> grower of my acquaintance, describing the last
>> attempted shipment (to
>> England) as a "nightmare", said that, after
several
>> frustrated attempts to
>> process the paperwork, the inspector simply gave
up.
>>  And so did the grower.
>> In that case, it seemed that the problem resulted
>> from the then-recent
>> reclassification of irises as perennials.
>>
>> Perhaps this is something we should try to keep
an
>> eye on to see if things
>> do improve this year.  Could a notice in the
>> Bulletin solicit growers'
>> experiences as a means of focusing attention and
>> possible action on the
>> problem?  Dealing with multiple bureaucracies
ain't
>> gonna be easy.  --
>> Griff
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sutton's iris gardens" 
<info@suttoniris.com>
>> To: <iris@hort.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:17 PM
>> Subject: [iris] Re: overseas shipping
>>
>>
>> > Hi Griff,
>> > We don't seem to have any problems importing,
in
>> fact none, other than
>> > phyto certs.  It might be difficult for the
>> overseas folks to ship here
>> > but the acquisition on this end is easy.
Getting
>> iris out to other
>> > countries is extremely difficult, especially
those
>> with quarantine
>> > requirements.  Two years ago we couldn't ship
>> anything to EU countries as
>> > they had put up an insurmountable barrier.
That
>> was eased last year a bit
>> > but required inspections of the gardens 3 times
>> per year by a Dept. of Ag
>> > official. Hopefully everybody has their head on
>> straight now and things
>> > will go smoothly both ways....
>> > We were told that a large part of the problem
is
>> that iris are such a
>> > small crop $$wise that not many resources or
>> effort is focused on the
>> > problems.  I guess we will just have to make
iris
>> a much bigger
>> > crop....:-)
>> > Mike Sutton
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