Re: breeding 6 fall bearded Irises

Indigo Princess X Six Pack. Falling For You seems to have the highest percentage of "Flats" from anything either George or I have worked with. Six Pack would be number 2 at about 10%. All the others Unfurled Flag, Flat Rate, Judy Mogul, etc. have very low to no flat seedling production...... for us anyway. Don't know if that helps, just observations from our gardens. 
Mike Sutton
----- Original Message ----- From: "greenthumbs" <greenthumbs777@yahoo.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [iris] breeding 6 fall bearded Irises
I looked up 'Falling For You' and it looks quite similar to 'Six Pack'. You do 
know if there is any common ancestry involved?

I think 25% seems like quite a
good rate for a mutation? If I could get a rate that high, I would be quite 
pleased. I breed fowl and that is about the same rate as for some of their
traits.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/Indiana_Gardener/2007%20birds/hakuraiko
u-5-1-2009.jpg

The somewhat fickle nature of the flat trait not always
holding true is something I've read about, but have yet to witness with the ones I have here. Does that seem more or less frequent some yrs than other? 
Thanks!


David














--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Michael Sutton
<info@suttoniris.com> wrote:


From: Michael Sutton <info@suttoniris.com>


Subject: Re: [iris] breeding 6 fall bearded Irises

To: iris@hort.net
Date:

Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 9:37 AM

about 25% from a few crosses with
Falling

For You.  Flats can have a tendency to not

always be flat too....can't quite

figure that one out as 7

flowers on the same stalk will be flat with six

falls and

beards and then two will not be flat but usually have six
falls

with no beards.  they are a bit frustrating and

could use some really

focused work.

Mike Sutton

----- Original Message ----- From:

"greenthumbs" <greenthumbs777@yahoo.com>

To: <Iris@hort.net>
Sent:

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:34 PM

Subject: [iris] breeding 6 fall bearded Irises


> Hi all,
>
>   I just joined the list. I have been
attempting

to breed flat beardeds. I have only been

successful in getting three

seedlings so far and have yet to

see what blooms they produce. I would

ideally like to

produce numbers more into the 100s or 1,000s for better


selections. I have more blooms this yr than last and the

weather has been

cooler and more humid. Maybe things will

turn out better this yr.
>

  My question regarding this breeding
has to do with the heredity of the

6-fall trait. I was

wondering how it transfers to offspring? My guess is

that

it's co-dominant, or incompletely dominant, since I've seen
some Iris

that seem to have this trait to varying degrees

and do not appear completely

100% either way?

>
>   Has anyone ever bred a 6-fall iris to
a standard

iris, and if so, what would you say was the

approximate percent, if any,

that turned out flat?

>   Thanks for any info!
>
>
> David
>
>
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