Re: REF: amoena vs neglecta & bitone vs bicolor

Jeffery,

No, not more than I want to know.  We discussed all these in our meeting,
including the reverse of each. I also tried to have a slide pix to back up
the type of each.

 My concern was in the pamphlet p 8- Basic Iris Culture it says a neglecta
is a bi-color.
I'm pretty sure now that is a misprint.

I even brought everyone colors and at end of my presentation,  we all drew
and colored each type to help us (mainly me) remember what's what. But what
ever, I think we had fun and that was the main thing.  At least everyone was
laughing at being a kid again and coloring w old fashion crayons.


One of the things I also wondered about since we are coming up w so many
iris variations, is if it is not a pure white for the amoena but creme do we
still call it an amoena?  My understanding at present is that it needs to be
white standards or if reverse amoena it needs to have white falls.
Off white does not count.

Linda in CW AZ
-------Original Message-------

From: Jeffrey Walters
Date: 11/11/07 17:21:43
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] REF: amoena vs neglecta & bitone vs bicolor

Linda S.

When the terms "Amoena" and "Neglecta" were first
coined they referred to two specific bearded irises,
one with white standards and violet/purple falls, and
the other with light violet standards and deeper
violet falls, respectively. Subsequently, any iris
with either of these color patterns was referred to as
an amoena or a neglecta.

As Linda Mann indicated, as more color patterns began
to occur in irises, 'amoena' came to refer to an iris
with white standards and falls of any other solid
color.

To my knowledge 'neglecta' still refers to a
blue/violet bitone.

A third early designation for a color pattern was
"Variegata". Originally this was the  a species name
applied to a bearded iris with yellow standards and
red/brown falls (I. variegata). As with neglecta,
variegata later became a generic term for the same
color pattern in any bearded iris.

As hybridizers continued to develop new color patterns
in irises, terms such as reverse amoena, reverse
neglecta, amoena-plicata, and variegata-plicata have
come into use.

Perhaps more than you wanted to know?!

Jeff Walters
in upstate South Carolina
USDA Zone 7b

--- Linda Smith <irisgrower@cableone.net> wrote:

> Linda M.
>
>  Neglecta- I agree I thought it was bitone also, but
> if I'm reading the
> definition correctly that is in the AIS booklet on
> p. 8 it says they are
> bicolor. Most Other books say bitone. I do not at
> the moment have time to
> check other sources except what's in my house w
> catalogs etc. and some web
> pages. Most of them so far say bitone also.
>
> Amoena I'm pretty clear on.
>
> Anyway, discussion was great at meeting and I think
> it helped the new comers
> realize that there's lots to learn and it is fun.
> And even when we think we
> know something, there's always room for further
> investigation even on simple
> things.
>
> Thanks for replying so quickly.
>
> Linda in CW AZ
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Linda Mann
> Date: 11/09/07 16:54:18
> To: iris@hort.net
> Subject: [iris] REF: amoena vs neglecta & bitone vs
> bicolor
>
> I <think> an amoena is white standards and some
> other color of falls,
> sometimes with a white rim around the falls,
> sometimes not.
>
> Back in the old days, amoenas were white over
> blue-purple, but now I
> <think> people call white over any other color an
> amoena.
>
> I always thought neglecta was bitone, and generally
> two shades of
> blue-purple, or red, not bicolor.
>
> I thought bicolor meant two different colors, not
> just two shades of one
> color.
>
> yes? I think it is a typo?
> --
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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