Re: Among Friends rebloom
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  • Subject: Re: Among Friends rebloom
  • From: P* <4*@rewrite.hort.net>
  • Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 17:29:37 -0400
I'm on the path to including something like Among Friends in the category "Exciting". Not because I brought it to the attention of the group, but because it is now outside the pack "never has re-bloomed" or per RIS Checklist language "Unrecognized" (once I file my report anyway). Call me weird, I am getting more excitement to see the not thought of as reliable get another chalk mark. "Reliable" is way overrated in my book. A challenge to the negative. I will always have Immortality and Feed Back in my garden because they are classics. But certainty can be a bit boring, no? You can market "uncertain but maybe" as a challenge to the positive. I pay good money for it.
Breed on my brave daubers! Meanwhile, the least the rest of us can do is to faithfully report our remontants and "exciting" irises. 

On 10/1/2014 3:48 PM, Betty Wilkerson wrote:

Folks, lets have a little reality here.  We don't have a large number reliable
reblooming irises.  Things that are reliable in Italy, are not necessarily
reliable in Scottsville KY.  Thins that are reliable in California are not
reliable in KY.  Things that are reliable in Linda's back yard do not rebloom
in my back yard.


Can we please find a way to encourach and reward those
that breed for rebloomers in all geological areas?  We can throw all types of
caution and cantankerous intervention in the mix, but do we really want to?
<<For my highly variable climates, in order to say for sure that an iris
is a
reliable rebloomer here, I would want to grow it for 3 or 4 yrs
after first
bloomstalk, without dividing.  I wouldn't know what to call
it if it
rebloomed <one> of those years.  If I grew it 10 yrs and it
rebloomed twice,
I still wouldn't know.>>




Betty Wilkerson
Zone 6 KY
autmirislvr@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Mann <101l@rewrite.hort.net>
To: iris
<iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: [iris] Among
Friends rebloom


Good question, Chuck.  & not one I'd try to answer, either
for genetics
or for garden information.

For my highly variable climates, in
order to say for sure that an iris
is a reliable rebloomer here, I would want
to grow it for 3 or 4 yrs
after first bloomstalk, without dividing.  I
wouldn't know what to call
it if it rebloomed <one> of those years.  If I
grew it 10 yrs and it
rebloomed twice, I still wouldn't know.

One of the
values of the rebloom checklist is that even tho you can't
tell how often it
reblooms in one place, if it's reported for a lot of
states/countries USDA
zones, they it's probably safe to call it a real
rebloomer.

So a single time
reblooming for Shaub, with no obvious rebloom genetics,
may not mean much,
but if half a dozen people report rebloom, even if
it's sporadic, maybe it
becomes useful information.

On 9/30/2014 10:30 AM, Chuck Chapman wrote:

As

bloom is a complex relationship of genetics and environment there

can be an

odd situation where a plant will bloom twice in a season. The

question is

then  how many examples of twice bloom in a season do we

need to classify an

iris as a rebloomer. Is a one time report  enough to

classify it as a

rebloomer? As versus a one off misfire of  bloom codes

in response to an

unusual growing season?

Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----


From: Phloid <4390a9e81@rewrite.hort.net>

To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent:

Mon, Sep 29, 2014 9:09 pm

Subject: Re: [iris] Among Friends rebloom



Thanks Robin. I'll have to trust it's to label since I am not not

familiar

with the full field of MTBs. Will post a pic to the photos

listserve in a

few days. It has been a good year for me rebloom wise so

we'll see how it

does next year.

So we can avoid any false double reports, FYI I am a RIS

member so I'll

be reporting it to Region 4 when they ask for submittals. It

will be

under Shaub Dunkley, Candler NC. (Z6b)

Another surpriser on the

way! Western Hills (per source) (1 yo clump)

has three stalks budding out.

RIS '12 shows only VA z6 reporting it so

far. I really expected it to be

very sporadic and to perhaps never see

it rebloom for me.

BTW folks, I'm

into the historic remontants and carriers. I'm looking to

network with

people to help get the endangered ones back on their feet.

You too? Chat me

up. I'm a HIPS member as well.

Shaub
On 9/29/2014 4:44 PM, Robin Shadlow

wrote:

We will add Among Friends to the RIS data base.  There are many

cultivars which are not registered as rebloomers.  They may never

rebloom in

the hybridizer's garden, but move it around and you never know.

Thanks

for reporting it!

Robin Shadlow
zone 8 Salem, OR



On

Monday, September 29, 2014 12:52 PM, Phloid

<4390a9e81@rewrite.hort.net>

wrote:



Yes; it has bloomed two springs and now this fall. I have

an email in

to

Wildwood Gardens where I bought it. There are stalks on

different fans

so it not a sporadic sort of rebloom. I will say the height

of the

spring stalks are not nearly the 18" of the Eregistry description

but

short stalks are normal for me.

On 9/29/2014 6:48 AM, Chuck

Chapman wrote:

Did the same clump bloom in the spring?

Chuck

Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: Phloid

<4390a9e81@rewrite.hort.net>

To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep

29, 2014 12:00 am

Subject: [iris] Among Friends rebloom

What I

bought under label Among Friends is reblooming right now. The

flower looks

like AF to me, I am just surprised to see rebloom since

I

haven't a

reference to it doing so, including the 2012 RIS Checklist.

Shaub


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