Re: Re: Everyone is an american

Hi all,

I do not believe our Government precipitated this in any way except possibly by trying to help squabblling countries get along. Like the police say of domestic fights you must watch the abused party as much as the abusing party because they may take exception to being parted and turn on the officer who was sent to protect them. Religious wars are dangerous places to tread. Something we don't ever really get the feeling for living in our freedom rich environment. 

I am amazed and pleased that countries that are frequently at odds with each other are pulling together to support us in trying to put a stop to terrorism. I hate war but in this instance it may be the only appropriate means of discouragement. Finding and eliminating this group could be very tricky. They can be anywhere in many countries simultaniously. I do not think they will act like real men and come out in the open to fight. This is the new age of gorilla warfare and the whole world is the battle field.

Sincerely Wendy Zone 5
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cliff Snyder 
  To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [iris-talk] Re: Everyone is an american


  MIke,

  It is quite obvious that "we" are more united than we have been in the last
  60 years. Not since Pearl Harbor has popular opinion been so in favor of a
  single course of action. More than 90% of all Americans favor retaliation
  and destruction of terrorism throughout the world. And more than 75% are
  willing to endure the pain and suffering it will cause to us and our young
  men to accomplish that goal. I gather from your comments that only 10% of
  Americans are compassionate, caring lovers of life. It is my belief that the
  retaliation is the ONLY means to deal with the vile creatures who would so
  callously cause the pain and suffering to innocent civilians in not only our
  country, but any country. They, whoever they might be, understand none of
  your pleas for compassion, fair play or justice. It is not revenge we seek
  for the killing in this country, but a call to the entire world that
  terrorism is not the method to be used in resolving ideological, political,
  or economic disputes.

  In this time of intense pain and anger in our country I can appreciate all
  viewpoints - that's what makes me an American. In this instance I and almost
  all my fellow Americans are  ready to act to end this inhuman way of life.

  Stand and deliver,
  Cliff Snyder


  -----Original Message-----
  From: mike [l*@yahoo.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:59 PM
  To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [iris-talk] Re: Everyone is an american


  You were offended by a womans call to a higher sense of humanity and
  her horror at the cycle or revenge and retaliation we are in?  You
  were offended that she deplored the death of innocents regardless of
  their nationality or who caused it, even us?  You were offended that
  she suggested that perhaps our nations past actions could have been
  the catalyst for the hatred directed against us?  What is so
  offensive here?

  I thought her opinion was quite thought provoking and a wake up call
  to our goverment to be more responsible in its actions and relations
  to the rest of the world.  According to many reports I have read on
  the web Osama Bin Laden was trained in terroist and counter-
  insurgency tactics right here in the US at the CIA's School of the
  Americas in Georgia.  America trained and unleashed this monster (as
  well as many others) upon the world, is it a suprise the snake turned
  and bit us?

  I would ask everyone to stand up for the cause of justice and to
  forsake the dead-end path of revenge.  The guilty must be brought to
  civilized justice under the rule of law.  We must not let our pain
  and anger cause us to allow more innocents to be harmed in a mad dash
  for vengence, nor should we allow our differing viewpoints on the
  whole affair to fracture our unity as people of conscience and
  freedom.

  Patricia, I understood what you were saying and I concur.  I too hope
  this event will restore our national soul and bring us to a higher
  compassion for all human life.

  Mike Unser
  Olympia, WA

  --- In iris-talk@y..., cgdawn@c... wrote:
  > I am glad someone else was offended. I found her whole message
  > deplorable.  It takes the loss of this magnitude to make her soul
  > whole??????  Is she a implant from the mid-east?
  >
  > Dean Gray
  > Mid-America
  > Just south of St. Louis, Mo. USA
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -- In iris-talk@y..., William Wells <wells@t...> wrote:
  > > Patricia,
  > >
  > > Of all the comments that I have heard in the last several days,
  your
  > > quote below is the most offensive. I am appalled.
  > >
  > > Bill Wells
  > >
  > > pbrooks@w... wrote:
  > >
  > > > Theo,
  > >
  > > "This belated consequence, as I can't but see it, horrific as it
  > is, has
  > > a kind of inevitability, even justice, to it"
  > >
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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