Re: HYB: REF:Hall pink line (was: Blyth, umbrata, WINE AND ROSES)

Linda Mann asked how I knew the roots of the Hall pinks.

Linda, these are not unpublished or unknown.  I would suggest looking at Mike
Lowe's pedigree chart for MARY RANDALL in the Dykes list on the HIPS website
to see those roots graphically displayed.  Keeping track of Hall seedling
numbers in and around 1939 through 1944 helps.

Seedling 39-62 is one of the key progenitors.  It is from 36-01: (W. R. Dykes
x Dolly Madison) X Morocco Rose.  A number of the shell pinks (or "pink bud")
tangerine-bearded breaks in 1942 are from 39-62, including some that were sent
to Utah and used in the western pink development..

Some other key elements were Golden Eagle, from 38-26: (36-11 x Morocco Rose)
X Prairie Sunset.  Prairie Sunset does not carry Umbrata--the Umbrata overlay
is a dominant characteristic.  The Check List does not give the parentage for
36-11, but I have a suspicion it is known.  I just don't recall a source that
gives it.  It is possible it appears in one of the pink blend registrations
Hall made.  He tended, in any event, to keep his chosen few breeders a small
group, so one can assume it was probably from similar breeding as those with
known ancestry.

You will note that CHERIE is a double grandchild of 39-62, on the one side
through FANTASY, which is 40-97: (LULLABY X (DAUNTLESS X RAMESES), LULLABY
being itself a child of Morocco Rose.  The other side of the ancestry of
CHERIE is #42-07 from GOLDEN EAGLE X 39-62.

All of these prior to 1942 were pink blends--a lot of warm yellow and soft
rose tints blended together.  FANTASY is not the carrier of the Umbrata
either, although it was/is a bitone and shaped rather a lot like CHERIE.

If a person keeps on digging for Hall pedigrees in the 1939 and 1949 Check
Lists, a lot of the information is there, although not always in the same
place.  Mike Lowe has done us an immense service by putting together these
graphic displays which show the relationships among the early Hall and Fay
pinks.

This pedigree chart displays the foundation of all the Illinois-bred pinks.
The Utah pinks along with those from Dr. Loomis in Colorado, overlapping these
in their ancestry a great deal, represent two of the three primary sources of
the early pinks, the other being the Lapham pinks, present in the ancestries
of many modern sorts, but in a rather minor way compared to these two
developments.

The TWOI narrative about all this is worth re-reading, although it does not go
into the detail the HIPS pedigree charts do.

Neil Mogensen   z 7   western NC mountains

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