Sweet Briar
- Subject: Sweet Briar
- From: &* L* <L*@lyman-dixon.freeserve.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:49:37 -0000
OK, so there doesn't seem to be much doubt that a sweet Briar is the same
thing as an Eglantine which is the same thing as Rosa rubiginosa, but please
will someone put me out of my misery and tell me where this peculiar name
"Eglantine" came from and why does Milton (and Grigson in his "Englishmans
Flora") apply it to Woodbine?
I can't find any reference to it as a rose prior to Turner 1551 though he
does ascribe it to Pliny under the name "Kynorrhodos" however in the Loeb
translation of Pliny this rose becomes the ordinary R canina.
At the end of the nineteenth century, Fernie wrote of R rubiginosa
that "its poetic title Eglantine is a corruption of the Latin
Aculeius, prickly" though my Lewis & Short denies the existence of
"Aculeius" as a Latin word though admitting "aculeatus". I am still doubtful
firstly because Fernie can be relied upon to grasp the wrong end of
the stick and secondly the rose would have need to have been known
and recorded prior to the sixteenth century for its name to become corrupted. It
seems to be generally agreed that before Mattioli, Turner and Fuchs, no one
looked at plants sufficiently closely to distinguish one from another; roses
were just roses and, as such, have a long and detailed history...........though
Colonna came up with a few regional variations for table decorations in
Hypnerotomachia at the end of the fifteenth century, but whether he actually
looked at the roses is doubtful
Gerard in fact mentions two "Eglantines" the second "having greater leaves
and much sweeter, the floures likewise are greater, and somewhat doubled,
exceeding sweet of smell, wherein it differeth from the former.....we have them
all except the Brier Bush in our London gardens, which we think
unworthy the place". Which seems somewhat inconsistent. The second is presumably
the one referred to as "Rofa fyv' mult Double fweet Brier rofes" in the
Oxford Botanic Garden catalogue of 1648
Chaucer may have got the name of his prioress, Eglantine from the
bride of Valentine in the old Romance "Valentine & Orson". Of her, Dr Brewer
succinctly writes "she soon died" which takes care of her then.
As for the real rose, it survives even the wretched deer here on the
nursery, so for pruning, hack it down to the ground with your slasher or
mechanical weapon of horticultural mass destruction, it will soon bounce back to
shred your hands again next year.
Happy Christmas
Anthony
Definition: \Eg"lan*tine\, n. [F.
['e]glantine, fr.
OF. aiglent brier, hip tree, fr. (assumed) LL. acuculentus, fr. a dim. of L. acus needle; cf. F. aiguille needle. Cf. {Aglet}.] (Bot.) (a) A species of rose ({Rosa Eglanteria}), with fragrant foliage and flowers of various colors. (b) The sweetbrier ({R. rubiginosa}). Note: Milton, in the following lines, has applied the name to some twinning plant, perhaps the honeysuckle. Through the sweetbrier, or the vine, Or the twisted eglantine. -- L'Allegro, 47. ``In our early writers and in Gerarde and the herbalists, it was a shrub with white flowers.'' --Dr. Prior. --- bridget lamp <bridgetlamp@yahoo.com> wrote: > With the recent rose questions, I have one for you > all. > > What is the definition of a "sweet briar" rose? I > have a Rosa 'Magnifica' that needs a bit of > attention. > Any pruning suggestions for this rose type are most > appreciated! > > thanks! > bridget > seattle, wa > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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