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Re: Salvia species??

At 12:10 PM 7/4/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks Rich and all "Med-planters" for the discussion of Salvia Waverly.
>I, too believe it must have some S. chiapensis in its little heart.
>Those leaves are just TOO shiney!

I disagree with Sean about S. chiapensis, not because of the leaf surface,
but because of the other attributes S. chiapensis would lend to a cross with
S. leucantha.  The flowers are very similar to leucantha, only larger.
Having seen many other glossy-leaved Mexican Salvias, chiapensis
hybridization would make them smaller.  I would look for a larger
glossy-leaved Salvia like S. miniata as the other parent.

By the way, I think that Betsy Clebsch's `Mulberry Jam' is a cross of S.
involucrata (or S. puberula) with chiapensis.  It looks like a miniature
involucrata with chiapensis flowers, although very leggy for me in North
Carolina, like Verbena bonariensis or S. azurea grandiflora.

>	I've recently planted some small plants labeled "Salvia species" from
>Judy's Perennials, next door to Steve Brigham's Buena Vista Nursery. The
>plant form and leaves are very like S. semiatrata. Particularly the
>leaves which are deltoid, opposite and in clusters. The undersides are
>very tomontose, almost white and the upper side rugose. The similarity
>ends here. The flowering stems look for all the world like S.
>coahuilensis both in deepness of color, flower form and arrangement on
>the stem. Is it possible these two have been cavorting, either in Mexico
>or here in Southern Calif? This is a beautiful (so far little) plant,
>blooming repeatly just now while getting established. Does it sound
>familiar to anyone? Any guesses about size and form would also be
>appreciated.

Are you familiar with S. melissodora?  There is a form collected by Yucca-Do
which looks like the Central Coast Grower's mystery plant with bluish-purple
flowers.  I have a JPG image of it, if anyone is interested in seeing it as
an attached file.

>	I'm also a "salvia fanatic", intrigued by the deep true blues and
>electric purples found in few other species. Am growing a cutting of
>Salvia mexicana labled Guanajuato from U.C. Berkley. From the picture I
>have, it looks to be rather a monster with the most fabulous lime
>colored caylces. The leaves have silvery markings differing from my
>other S. mexicana (from Buena Vista Nursery) Anything anyone can tell me
>about either of these?

Again, I can send an image.  About S. mexicana, I can say that the typical
form is like cvs. `Ocampo' (a bit larger than most), Lollie Jackson', `La
Placita', `Puerto de la Zorra'.  Compton's form has nicer, more compact
foliage and blooms later.  The old line-green form from California is
atypically smaller, but I haven't grown it out here for a true comparison.
I had a giant form from Oaxaca, even bigger than `Ocampo'.  S. mexicana var.
miniata has much smaller flowers, about 40% of typical forms.  Calyxes on
typical forms can be deep green to almost purple-black.  Yucca-Do will be
introducing one with golden calyxes.  I have seen forms with bicolored
(green/deep purple) calyxes.  The form with silvery markings sounds new.

I have three S. madrensis forms, one which develops leaves with an even
silvery sheen in cool, intense sun.  Does this sound similar to your mexicana?

There is a S. patens cv. `Guanajuato' selection by Jamie Compton with
double-sized deep blue flowers, but I don't know if anyone in the US has
successfully grown it.  Tovah Martin brought it back from England about 6
years ago, but it never successfully (?) got shipped out of Logee's
Greenhouses.  Needless to say, if anyone has this, please put it into
circulation!

>	This salvia collecting can get to be addicting!

Yup, I guess I should know.

Rich Dufresne
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