Reply to David F. (edited)
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- From: Catherine Ratner c*@earthlink.net (by way of DianeWhitehead)
- Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:08:53 -0700
Dear David, Again I had such pleasure in reading a description of your newly designed garden! I live in Palos Verdes with very similar temperatures and lots of fog and cool west winds. Unfortunately I don't have a glass fence. Is the deck made of wood or concrete? I had wooden planter boxes along a very long north-facing wooden deck. They soon rotted out their own bottoms as well as the underlying deck. I gave them all to a friend who set them on concrete where they are still going strong after 15 years. I now have a collection of pots that provide air circulation or sit in impervious saucers. I assume you knew how to deal with this problem. The draping plants sound beautiful. I planted Plectranthus neochilus by my front gate but couldn't stand the smell. Its flowers are enticing in their subtle coloring, and I like the leaves as well, so I have moved it to a slope farther from my nose. Someone gave me cuttings of Calandrinia grandiflora a year ago. I put them in the ground thinking they would root easily, but they kept rotting off and getting shorter and shorter as I moved them around trying to find the right spot. In desperation I put them in a pot in almost pure perlite where they finally rooted and are now in flamboyant bloom. Do you think I dare try again in my heavy clay? I gave my son in San Francisco some tillandsias to grow on his palm trunks but I don't really like the look of the gray leaves. How about T. secunda with is quite large, clustering, and has green leaves which would harmonize better with the palm. I grow Laelias on the multiple trunks of Fuchsia paniculata (most people call it F. arborescens), and I think they would be good on the palms also. Thank you for your inspiring description. Cathy
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Reply to David F.Dear David, Again I had such pleasure inreading a description of your newly designed garden! I live in PalosVerdes with very similar temperatures and lots of fog and cool west winds. Unfortunately I don't have a glass fence. Is the deck made of wood orconcrete? I had wooden planter boxes along a very long north-facingwooden deck. They soon rotted out their own bottoms as well as theunderlying deck. I gave them all to a friend who set them on concretewhere they are still going strong after 15 years. I now have a collectionof pots that provide air circulation or sit in impervious saucers. Iassume you knew how to deal with this problem.The draping plants soundbeautiful. I planted Plectranthus neochilus by my front gate but couldn'tstand the smell. Its flowers are enticing in their subtle coloring, and Ilike the leaves as well, so I have moved it to a slope farther from mynose.Someone gave me cuttings of Calandrinia grandiflora a year ago. Iput them in the ground thinking they would root easily, but they keptrotting off and getting shorter and shorter as I moved them around tryingto find the right spot. In desperation I put them in a pot in almost pureperlite where they finally rooted and are now in flamboyant bloom. Do youthink I dare try again in my heavy clay?I gave my son in San Franciscosome tillandsias to grow on his palm trunks but I don't really like thelook of the gray leaves. How about T. secunda with is quite large,clustering, and has green leaves which would harmonize better with thepalm. I grow Laelias on the multiple trunks of Fuchsia paniculata (mostpeople call it F. arborescens), and I think they would be good on thepalms also.Thank you for your inspiring description. Cathy> From: davidfeix
> Reply-To: davidfeix@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23May 2003 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT)> To: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu> Subject: Anew container garden in coastal northern California> > One coastal gardenI have just designed and planted is> in ideal coastal conditions right atthe edge of a> lagoon, with a 6 foot tall wall of glass protecting> theplants from the stronger gusts of wind. This> location has never gottenmuch below 40F in winter,> and during this recent past 4 days of 90Ftemps> inland, it remained a balmy 75F here. The location is> a poolsidedeck about 25 foot wide by 40 foot long,> and is towered over by several 50 foot tall Canary> Island Date Palms, and views of 80 foot tall>Washingtonia robustas in the> distance, across the adjacent lagoon. Thedistant> view includes abit of San Francisco across the bay,> but theoriginal shoreline views were lost when the> bay was filled in to createthis system of closed> lagoons and newer houses(circa 1960's) along theGold> Coast of Alameda. The one acre grounds also include a> 100 year oldAracaria heterophylla and equally old> Pinus radiata; which unfortunatelyneed to be removed> due to old age and disease. > > The planter boxes atthe deck overlooking the pool and> lagoon include lots of long bloomingperennials and> succulents, chosen for ease of growth in the daily> coolafternoon winds, and for long bloom along the> coast. The pots are leftin plastic nursery cans and> hidden inside the wood planters to reduce theweight> of the soil over the existing deck, and allow for easy> switchingout of plants over time. > > My plant choices may have been undulyinfluenced by> what was blooming in nurseries at the time, (as they> oftenare). Lampranthus spectabilis is in full> blinding magenta bloom,alternating with deep true> blue bloomingScaevola aemula with trailing 3foot> stems covered in flowers, and drapes over the wood> planters.Another planter contains Asparagus> densiflorus 'Sprengeri' combined with Verbena hybrida> 'Tapien Blue', which is really more of a purple along>the lines of Sea Lavender/Limonium perezii. Erigeron> x 'Moorheimerii'also weaves in amongst the other> trailers, with the deep purple trailerPlectranthus> neochilus below the Metrosideros collina. All were>selected for fast growth. extra long bloom season and> ability to drapewell over planters, giving a lush> look quickly.> > The Asparagus waschosen to rim the base of the Date> Palms, for its ability to absorb the100's of small> dates/nuts rained down upon them by the squirrels. >Temporary Osteospermum fruiticosum 'Pinwheel' and> Arcototis hybrid'Purple Torch' are planted along side> the Asparagus for immediate filler,before the> Asparagus completely fill the 15 gallon containers.> > Longflowering perennials include several Lavenders> such as the everbloomingSpike Lavender/Lavandula> pinnata,(not frost tolerant away from thecoast), L.> stoechas 'Quastii', Verbena 'Tapien Blue' and Limonium>perezii in full bloom. Another succulent from Chile,> Calandriniagrandiflora has shocking magenta poppy> like flowers on tall 3 foot stems,along with> succulent trailing stems and glaucus foliage, and will> remainin bloom nearly all year, with hundreds of> flower spikes on matureplants. The saturated pure> reds and blues and magentas are cooled downby the> bolder leafed succulents such as Agave attenuata> 'Nova',( a namedcultivar with even bluer foliage than> normal), luminous trailingPachyveria 'Opalina' and> Lampranthus spectabilis planted in jadegreen/streaked> aquamarine blue large Malaysian urns 3 foot tall and> setagainst a textural grapestake wood fence overhung> by Jasminum polyanthumin full bloom. (I am tempted to> add some royal purple notes to the fencewith the> addition of Distictis 'Rivers', or Petrea volubis). > > Theother plantings are all in large 15 gallon> containers set within a formal arrangement of large(5> foot square and 10 foot by 2.5 foot)freestanding> redwood planters on top of the existing deck, and set>against the 6 foot glass wind fence overlooking the> lagoon. At eachcorner planter, amongst all the> lavenders, sit 3 individual Metrosideroscollina> 'Springfire', with softly grey pubescent leaves on> arching stemsand continual sprays of red stameny> flowers more reminescent ofCallistemon than other> Metrosideros. It is surprisingly happy here in>California given its native tropical Tahiti habitat. > The othersucculents chosen include the soft powdery> white Cotyledon orbiculatawith its round succulent> leaves and lovely nodding turbular soft orange>flowers, the similar Cotyledon macrantha with red> tipped green leaves. Ablue leaved Aloe hybrid called> Aloe 'Blue Elf' picks up the orange/coralflowers of> the Cotyledons, but comes a month earlier. Aeonium> undulatumwas chosen to be a huge sculptural accent,> similar to the Foxtail Agavein the urns, with its 2> foot diameter undulate apple green rosettes on3> foot stalks. > > At the center point of the long glass windscreen sita> matched pair of 4 foot diameter large rustic Thai> ceramic water bowlson raised metal supports. These> are another focal point along the windscreen,> repeating the large urns with the Agaves as a contrast> to thebuilt in wood planters. These bowls are filled> with floating waterhyacinth, Oenanthe javanica> 'Flamingo' and Equisetum hyemale, and somegoldfish. > The Oenanthe will provide a frothy pink and white> variegatedmass of ferny foliage completely obscuring> the water if not pruned back,and remains evergreen in> our climate. The plantings should look verymuch the> same regardless of the season, with perhaps the spring> bloomingLampranthus and Cotyledons being the only> seasonal giveaway. Theplantings should also be> fairly low water use, and will be given 5minutes a> day automatic drip irrigation in the warmer months.> > Thegarden planters could have just as easily featured> a mix of SouthAfrican/Australian proteaceae plants,> or perhaps restios, but I thoughtthe mix chosen would> be easier to maintain long term, and more colorful>over a longer season. Perhaps I will add some> epiphytes such asTillandsias to the trunks of the> Date Palms, but am uncertain as towhether it will> appear too unnatural given the scale of the palms. I>also consider it somewhat ironic that this deck and> garden will be solittle used, with the clients almost> never home to enjoy it except onSunday afternoons. > Such is often the case with high end clients such as>these two physicians.> > Its fun to install gardens like this, that lookmature> instantly, and will look like it was always there> within just acouple of months... As well, not having> to worry about frost or heatmakes it so much easier> to create a garden with year round flowers. Thisis> also such a complete contrast to another recent garden> installationoverlooking the bay high up in the> Oakland Hills, also in another one ofa kind setting> that makes me appreciative of being a garden designer> andgetting to spend - Next by Date: Attention North American Clivia Lovers
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Reply to David F.Dear David, Again I had such pleasure inreading a description of your newly designed garden! I live in PalosVerdes with very similar temperatures and lots of fog and cool west winds. Unfortunately I don't have a glass fence. Is the deck made of wood orconcrete? I had wooden planter boxes along a very long north-facingwooden deck. They soon rotted out their own bottoms as well as theunderlying deck. I gave them all to a friend who set them on concretewhere they are still going strong after 15 years. I now have a collectionof pots that provide air circulation or sit in impervious saucers. Iassume you knew how to deal with this problem.The draping plants soundbeautiful. I planted Plectranthus neochilus by my front gate but couldn'tstand the smell. Its flowers are enticing in their subtle coloring, and Ilike the leaves as well, so I have moved it to a slope farther from mynose.Someone gave me cuttings of Calandrinia grandiflora a year ago. Iput them in the ground thinking they would root easily, but they keptrotting off and getting shorter and shorter as I moved them around tryingto find the right spot. In desperation I put them in a pot in almost pureperlite where they finally rooted and are now in flamboyant bloom. Do youthink I dare try again in my heavy clay?I gave my son in San Franciscosome tillandsias to grow on his palm trunks but I don't really like thelook of the gray leaves. How about T. secunda with is quite large,clustering, and has green leaves which would harmonize better with thepalm. I grow Laelias on the multiple trunks of Fuchsia paniculata (mostpeople call it F. arborescens), and I think they would be good on thepalms also.Thank you for your inspiring description. Cathy> From: davidfeix
> Reply-To: davidfeix@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23May 2003 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT)> To: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu> Subject: Anew container garden in coastal northern California> > One coastal gardenI have just designed and planted is> in ideal coastal conditions right atthe edge of a> lagoon, with a 6 foot tall wall of glass protecting> theplants from the stronger gusts of wind. This> location has never gottenmuch below 40F in winter,> and during this recent past 4 days of 90Ftemps> inland, it remained a balmy 75F here. The location is> a poolsidedeck about 25 foot wide by 40 foot long,> and is towered over by several 50 foot tall Canary> Island Date Palms, and views of 80 foot tall>Washingtonia robustas in the> distance, across the adjacent lagoon. Thedistant> view includes abit of San Francisco across the bay,> but theoriginal shoreline views were lost when the> bay was filled in to createthis system of closed> lagoons and newer houses(circa 1960's) along theGold> Coast of Alameda. The one acre grounds also include a> 100 year oldAracaria heterophylla and equally old> Pinus radiata; which unfortunatelyneed to be removed> due to old age and disease. > > The planter boxes atthe deck overlooking the pool and> lagoon include lots of long bloomingperennials and> succulents, chosen for ease of growth in the daily> coolafternoon winds, and for long bloom along the> coast. The pots are leftin plastic nursery cans and> hidden inside the wood planters to reduce theweight> of the soil over the existing deck, and allow for easy> switchingout of plants over time. > > My plant choices may have been undulyinfluenced by> what was blooming in nurseries at the time, (as they> oftenare). Lampranthus spectabilis is in full> blinding magenta bloom,alternating with deep true> blue bloomingScaevola aemula with trailing 3foot> stems covered in flowers, and drapes over the wood> planters.Another planter contains Asparagus> densiflorus 'Sprengeri' combined with Verbena hybrida> 'Tapien Blue', which is really more of a purple along>the lines of Sea Lavender/Limonium perezii. Erigeron> x 'Moorheimerii'also weaves in amongst the other> trailers, with the deep purple trailerPlectranthus> neochilus below the Metrosideros collina. All were>selected for fast growth. extra long bloom season and> ability to drapewell over planters, giving a lush> look quickly.> > The Asparagus waschosen to rim the base of the Date> Palms, for its ability to absorb the100's of small> dates/nuts rained down upon them by the squirrels. >Temporary Osteospermum fruiticosum 'Pinwheel' and> Arcototis hybrid'Purple Torch' are planted along side> the Asparagus for immediate filler,before the> Asparagus completely fill the 15 gallon containers.> > Longflowering perennials include several Lavenders> such as the everbloomingSpike Lavender/Lavandula> pinnata,(not frost tolerant away from thecoast), L.> stoechas 'Quastii', Verbena 'Tapien Blue' and Limonium>perezii in full bloom. Another succulent from Chile,> Calandriniagrandiflora has shocking magenta poppy> like flowers on tall 3 foot stems,along with> succulent trailing stems and glaucus foliage, and will> remainin bloom nearly all year, with hundreds of> flower spikes on matureplants. The saturated pure> reds and blues and magentas are cooled downby the> bolder leafed succulents such as Agave attenuata> 'Nova',( a namedcultivar with even bluer foliage than> normal), luminous trailingPachyveria 'Opalina' and> Lampranthus spectabilis planted in jadegreen/streaked> aquamarine blue large Malaysian urns 3 foot tall and> setagainst a textural grapestake wood fence overhung> by Jasminum polyanthumin full bloom. (I am tempted to> add some royal purple notes to the fencewith the> addition of Distictis 'Rivers', or Petrea volubis). > > Theother plantings are all in large 15 gallon> containers set within a formal arrangement of large(5> foot square and 10 foot by 2.5 foot)freestanding> redwood planters on top of the existing deck, and set>against the 6 foot glass wind fence overlooking the> lagoon. At eachcorner planter, amongst all the> lavenders, sit 3 individual Metrosideroscollina> 'Springfire', with softly grey pubescent leaves on> arching stemsand continual sprays of red stameny> flowers more reminescent ofCallistemon than other> Metrosideros. It is surprisingly happy here in>California given its native tropical Tahiti habitat. > The othersucculents chosen include the soft powdery> white Cotyledon orbiculatawith its round succulent> leaves and lovely nodding turbular soft orange>flowers, the similar Cotyledon macrantha with red> tipped green leaves. Ablue leaved Aloe hybrid called> Aloe 'Blue Elf' picks up the orange/coralflowers of> the Cotyledons, but comes a month earlier. Aeonium> undulatumwas chosen to be a huge sculptural accent,> similar to the Foxtail Agavein the urns, with its 2> foot diameter undulate apple green rosettes on3> foot stalks. > > At the center point of the long glass windscreen sita> matched pair of 4 foot diameter large rustic Thai> ceramic water bowlson raised metal supports. These> are another focal point along the windscreen,> repeating the large urns with the Agaves as a contrast> to thebuilt in wood planters. These bowls are filled> with floating waterhyacinth, Oenanthe javanica> 'Flamingo' and Equisetum hyemale, and somegoldfish. > The Oenanthe will provide a frothy pink and white> variegatedmass of ferny foliage completely obscuring> the water if not pruned back,and remains evergreen in> our climate. The plantings should look verymuch the> same regardless of the season, with perhaps the spring> bloomingLampranthus and Cotyledons being the only> seasonal giveaway. Theplantings should also be> fairly low water use, and will be given 5minutes a> day automatic drip irrigation in the warmer months.> > Thegarden planters could have just as easily featured> a mix of SouthAfrican/Australian proteaceae plants,> or perhaps restios, but I thoughtthe mix chosen would> be easier to maintain long term, and more colorful>over a longer season. Perhaps I will add some> epiphytes such asTillandsias to the trunks of the> Date Palms, but am uncertain as towhether it will> appear too unnatural given the scale of the palms. I>also consider it somewhat ironic that this deck and> garden will be solittle used, with the clients almost> never home to enjoy it except onSunday afternoons. > Such is often the case with high end clients such as>these two physicians.> > Its fun to install gardens like this, that lookmature> instantly, and will look like it was always there> within just acouple of months... As well, not having> to worry about frost or heatmakes it so much easier> to create a garden with year round flowers. Thisis> also such a complete contrast to another recent garden> installationoverlooking the bay high up in the> Oakland Hills, also in another one ofa kind setting> that makes me appreciative of being a garden designer> andgetting to spend - Next by thread: Attention North American Clivia Lovers