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Re: MEDIT-PLANTS digest 712

medit-plants@ucdavis.edu wrote:
> 
>                             MEDIT-PLANTS Digest 712
> 
> Topics covered in this issue include:
> 
>   1) OUR LIST
>         by Nancy1234@aol.com
>   2) Introduce myself
>         by "William Haldeman" <linderahill@hotmail.com>
>   3) Re: OUR LIST
>         by Elizabeth Platt <eaplatt@hooked.net>
>   4) Re: Cailfornia native seed
>         by nsterman@ucsd.edu (Nan Sterman)
>   5) OUR LIST
>         by "Sean O'Hara" <SAOUC@UCCMVSA.UCOP.EDU>
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: OUR LIST
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:55:38 -0500 (EST)
> From: Nancy1234@aol.com
> To: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
> 
> Doesn't someone read the messages posted here before they forward them?  Is
> my subscription on this list what's exposing me to scores of unsolicited junk
> email each week?  If so, please take my name off this list, as much as I have
> always enjoyed participating here.
> 
> Nancy Knupfer, Los Angeles, CA
> Nancy1234@aol.com
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Introduce myself
> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:10:02 PST
> From: "William Haldeman" <linderahill@hotmail.com>
> To: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
> 
> Hello,
> My name is Bill Haldeman and I am a section gardener at Longwood Gardens
> in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania. The three greenhouses I take care of
> include the palm house, silver garden, and Mediterranean Garden.
> I am a 1990 graduate of the professional gardeners training program here
> at Longwood. I also had the privilege to train in South Africa for nine
> months at Durban Botanic Garden and Kirstenbosh. Spent six months in New
> Zealand at a sub-tropical garden in the Witakery (spelling ?) Range and
> Wanganui. Visited the gardens on Aust. East coast and finished up
> traveling by coming back through Indonesia and Singapore.
>  The mediterranean house at Longwood was built in 1993 and designed by
> Ron Lutsko, a landscape architect from CA. The house is approx. 100 feet
> long and 17 feet wide. It has a central pool surrounded by a meadow and
> four beds along the four corners. Plant material is from all climates
> with winter rain summer drought and we maintain the house at a minimum
> of 45 degrees F.
> The soil mix we use was a custom blend we worked up in the experimental
> greenhouses here on the property and consists of
>              3 parts Hadite (expanded shale)mined in ohio and heated to
> 2300degrees so all the mineral vaporize leaving a lava type stone.
>              3 parts #3 sand (a round sand not sharp)
>              2 parts fur bark
>              1 part peat moss
> This mix has been very successful in the green house for its benefits of
> being well drained but still holds moisture, acidic, and nice to look
> at. The bed depth runs from 18 to 24 inches and contains biotherm heat
> which are heat pipes that run in the soil so we can save energy on
> heating as well as form micro climates within the house.
> Climate control is maintained by a central computer that has a weather
> station, soil temp, air temp, humidity and can be made to dehumidify if
> needed.
> Plant material is a mix with many South African bulbs, proteacious
> material from both Aust. and S.A., many shrubs, large Shinus molle and
> Arbutus unedo 'Marina',and countless herbacious perennials. I hope to
> set up a plant list soon to share.
> The largest challenge is growing plant that thrive in a climate so
> different than our here in PA. The soil and computer help but it still
> is hard to keep Proteas and Banksias alive for more than a few years.
> Even with a fertilizer regiment that realizes the toxicity of
> phosphorous to the proteacious material.
> In the future we hope to have a tour included in our home page that will
> enable our friends on the web to view us. Our home page address is:
> http://www.longwoodgardens.org./
> This site will be able to introduce you to our garden and tell about our
> greenhouses, gardens, fountains, and educational opportunities. Hope to
> talk with you all real soon.
>                               Bill Haldeman
>                               section gardener
> 
> ______________________________________________________
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> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: OUR LIST
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:23:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: Elizabeth Platt <eaplatt@hooked.net>
> To: Nancy1234@aol.com
> CC: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
> 
> Hi Nancy:  I'm just coming out of lurkerdom to let you know that you're
> not the only one who's getting bombarded with stoopid junk email!  In
> fact, I deleted my way through a half-dozen posts before getting to your
> messsage...
> 
> But I don't think the medit-plants list, or any other list, is to blame; I
> believe the ability of marketers to get huge lists of email addresses
> simply defies any efforts to stop them...If anyone out there on the list
> knows how a person *can* stop the spamsters, please let us know!  =:P
> 
> My favorite bit of spam irony to date:  a bulk email message telling us
> where to send $20 to purchase a book telling us how to...stop getting bulk
> email!!
> 
> Bwah!
> 
> Slan,
> 
> Elizabeth Platt
> San Francisco, CA
> eaplatt@hooked.net
> 
> On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 Nancy1234@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Doesn't someone read the messages posted here before they forward them?  Is
> > my subscription on this list what's exposing me to scores of unsolicited junk
> > email each week?  If so, please take my name off this list, as much as I have
> > always enjoyed participating here.
> >
> > Nancy Knupfer, Los Angeles, CA
> > Nancy1234@aol.com
> >
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: Cailfornia native seed
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:59:23 -0700
> From: nsterman@ucsd.edu (Nan Sterman)
> To: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
> 
> >Does anyone want to share their favorite seed sources, whether commercial
> >or society/nbon-profit for seed of California native plants?  I'm
> >intersted particularly in sources for some of the winter annuals and
> >smaller perennials.
> >
> >Loren Russell, Corvallis ORE
> 
> Theodore Payne foundation in Sun Valley, near Los Angeles.  I don't have
> the address handy, call information for the number (it'll be an 818 area
> code).  They have a wonderful collection of native plant seed and a small
> nursery.
> 
> Nan
> 
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> Nan Sterman, "gardening addict"
> Olivenhain, California
> Sunset Zone 24, USDA Zone 10b or 11
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> So goes an old chinese proverb:
>          If you want to be happy for a few hours, get drunk;
>          If you want to be happy for a week-end get married;
>          If you want to be happy for a week, barbeque a pig;
>          If you want to be happy all your life long become a gardener
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: OUR LIST
> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 20:22:13 PST
> From: "Sean O'Hara" <SAOUC@UCCMVSA.UCOP.EDU>
> To: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
> 
> >From: Nancy1234@aol.com
> >Subject: OUR LIST
> >Sender: owner-medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
> >Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:55:38 -0500 (EST)
> >
> > Doesn't someone read the messages posted here before they forward them?  Is
> > my subscription on this list what's exposing me to scores of unsolicited junk
> > email each week?  If so, please take my name off this list, as much as I have
> > always enjoyed participating here.
> >
> > Nancy Knupfer, Los Angeles, CA
> > Nancy1234@aol.com
> 
> Nancy -
> 
> I am not sure the nature of your problem.  I do not note any 'junk'
> mail coming over Medit-Plants, and while e-mail correspondence can
> open you up to be put onto someone's list, I have not noted any
> significant amount of unwanted e-mail coming to my own e-mailbox.
> 
> Just to let everyone know:  The Medit-Plants mailing list is not
> sold or passed onto anyone, though it is available to subscribers
> via the 'review' feature of the LISTPROC.  Subscribers can 'conceal'
> their e-mail address from the 'review' list if they wish.  Send an
> e-mail to LISTPROC@UCDAVIS.EDU containing the following 1 line:
> 
>   help
> 
> You will be mailed a list of the commands you can send to the
> LISTPROC protocal to modify your subscription.
> 
> One way 'spammers' and solicitors aquire your e-mail address is from
> e-mail items themselves.  If you include your e-mail address in your
> signage (as many of us do to facilitate communication), then you
> might change it slightly and give breif instruction about what is
> wrong and needs changing before it will work.  Computer programs
> cannot easily determine that something is wrong with these addresses
> they 'pluck' out of e-mail correspondence.  Some people have mailers
> that allow for invalid 'FROM:' addresses, and these users again
> provide information about what to change in the e-mail address to
> successfully respond to them.
> 
> It is sad that the interenet has become yet another way to be
> harrased - there are already too many harrasement mediums in the
> world today.  For whatever reason, you are currently being pick on
> and it is wise to review what might be the cause.  As other
> Medit-Plants folks (such as myself and others) are not being
> targeted, I suggest you look elsewhere for the cause of the problem.
> Good luck!
> 
> Your humble Medit-Plants pseudo-moderator.
> 
>  Sean A. O'Hara                     sean.ohara@ucop.edu
>  710 Jean Street                    (510) 987-0577
>  Oakland, California 94610-1459     h o r t u l u s   a p t u s
>  U.S.A.                             'a garden suited to its purpose'
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