Re: survey

Joe,
You have my apologies! My only knowledge of you are your interesting and
knowledgable plant posts on the list. If you had perhaps said, "As a
professional garden designer, teacher, and author, I am interested in your
experiences with the Pre-planning process". You would not have evoked my
harsh response.
Thankyou for setting me straight about who you are and what you do in the
world of horticulture.
Lily
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Seals" <gardenguru@yahoo.com>
To: "Lily Ricardi" <edges@mcn.org>; "Mediterranean Plant Forum"
<medit-plants@ucdavis.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: survey


> Lily:
>
> First, I am not "feigning" curiosity over this issue.
> My curiosity is real.
>
> Second, I have taken the classes in landscape design
> and I have spent some years in the landscape industry
> (going on 33 years now).  So, there is "schooling,
> money, and experience" in my own pocket.  I call
> myself a "garden designer" but I hope others don't say
> I'm "so-called".
>
> Third, "knowledge" goes well beyond a classroom and
> even beyond one's own experience.  I do not know
> everything.  My professors did not teach me
> everything.  I cannot learn everything from my friends
> and professional associates and I do not think that I
> will ever know everything.  But I strive to always
> learn everything I can.
>
> But more than learning everything for myself, the
> purpose of this last "survery/inquiry" (and all my
> surveys) was to get information that I can use to
> share with my gardening classes that I teach here in
> the Santa Maria area.  I always feel uncomfortable
> teaching anyone only what I know -- I'd rather share
> with my students the experience and knowledge of many,
> especially the experience and knowledge of the kind of
> folks that are members of this e-group.  And I never
> pretend that what I share with my students is MY
> knowledge and experience.
>
> Not only am I a horticultural consultant
> ("so-called"?), I am also a business consultant and I
> am writing a book on small business management and
> marketing.  One of the keys I've found in the success
> of small businesses is for beginning small business
> owners to find themselves "mentors" -- already
> successful people in the same or similar business who
> are willing to share their experience and knowledge.
> Not surprisingly, it's easy to find many such generous
> people, good folks who share it all willingly and at
> no charge.
>
> So, I am somewhat taken off guard by your e-mail.  I
> am sending this e-mail back to the Mediterranean group
> members, however, simply to ask if anyone else feels
> as you do.  It could be I haven't realized that what
> you are saying also may be feelings among the others.
> If so, I am sorry.  If so, I will quit sending my
> "surveys" to this group.
>
> Humbly,
> Joe Seals
>
> --- Lily Ricardi <edges@mcn.org> wrote:
> > Joe,
> > It really frosts me when you feign curiosity over an
> > issue that has taken professional garden designers
> > some years of schooling, money and experience to
> > learn.  Your survey seems more like an easy, cheap
> > way to get answers without doing the work.
> > I know so many so called 'garden designers' that
> > have done a few gardens for friends and have decided
> > what a fun way to make a living. Until you have a
> > bad experience.
> >
> > I suggest you take a few landscape design classes
> > that deal with all designer/client processes.
> >
> > I also must say that I'm  very generous with my
> > knowledge. In fact my mission statement for my work
> > at the Mendocino Coast Botanical Gardens is
> > "CREATING GATEWAYS TO KNOWLEDGE, THROUGH THE WORLD
> > OF PLANTS WHERE SCIENCE AND ART COME TOGETHER.."
> > So I'm surprised by my reaction to your question,
> > but I've decided to send it rather than stew about
> > it.
> > Lily Ricardi
> > MCBG
> > Perennial Garden Curator
> > Education Coordinator
> >
>
>
> =====
> Joe Seals
> Santa Maria, California --
> where the weather is always perfect
> and my garden always has something blooming
> and birds galore
>
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