RE: Mediterranean is a Big Word
- Subject: RE: Mediterranean is a Big Word
- From: &* S* <p*@re-taste.com>
- Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:51:30 +0200
Dear Cali.
Thank you for your comments....and yes I think I have made some mistakes
with regard to placement of the plants. I will need to do some re-thinking.
Its great news about the book in English......... I have been waiting for
this for a long time. We are going up to Olivier Fillippi's Pepiniere at
the end of October to buy some plants and I will email him to find if he has
the English edition, if not I have checked and Amazon have it.
Pamela
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
[o*@ucdavis.edu]On Behalf Of Cali Doxiadis
Sent: 19 September 2008 15:56
To: pamela.steele@re-taste.com; benwiswall@pacbell.net; medit plants forum
Subject: Re: Mediterranean is a Big Word
Pamela, Olivier Filippi's book is now out in English (Thames and Hudson).
In it one reads that it's not just a question of "to water or not to water"
but "when, how often, and how?" Many of your plants that died might not
have under a different planting/watering regime. I have found that it helps
to plant in zones of similar watering needs, otherwise it can get
confusing....
Cali
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Steele" <pamela.steele@re-taste.com>
To: <benwiswall@pacbell.net>; "medit plants forum"
<medit-plants@ucdavis.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: Mediterranean is a Big Word
> Hello Ben
> We have had some major disappointments this year. We are not classfied as
> 'inland' Mediterranean as our villa is 300 meters from the Mediterranean
> sea
> about 100 meters high on a rocky alkaline coast mostly with indigenous
> Pinus
> Halepensis of which we have about 15 in our garden, but I thought you
> might
> be interested.
>
> Although we had a week of unseasonal good solid rain in early June I have
> still lost plants which I have planted in the last 3 years. All the big
> established (20 years or so) trees and shrubs are fine so I wont discuss
> those.
>
> Plants that have died or a languishing since I planted them:
> Ceonothus griseus (after 3 years of magnificent blooms and a trunk of
> around
> 50cm in the space of last three weeks it has become brown and
> dead.)Unbelievable!
> Leptospermum scoparium has been about 18 inches for 2 years...very
> disappointing
> 4 Lavendula dentata planted 2 years ago ..dead
> Pittosporum tenufolium ‘Variegatum’ planted April ...dead
> Lavendula angustifolia planted April.... dead
> Cistus laurifolius subsp ‘Atlanticus’ planted in april...dead
> Grevillea olivacea planted April ...dead
> Thymus vulgarus planted April ...dead
> Salvia officinalis planted April ...dead
> Salvia officinalis 'Icterina' planted April ...dead
> Thymus pseudolanuginosus (Woolly Thyme) planted March ..... dead
> Clianthus puniceus ‘Flamingo’ planted April ..dead
> Meryta sinclairii( New Zealand Puka)...dying much to my great
> disappointment, it lost all its leaves and just looks dreadful. I thought
> it
> might be root rot as it was on a watering system (its only 18 months old)
> so
> I treated it but to no avail. I am wondering if I should prune it now as
> a
> last resort.......
>
> Some successes .....Frankly I don't hold my breath anymore and just hope
> that they will survive but at the moment they look good
>
> Rosemary prostrata (excellent)
> Eriobotrya japonica (excellent)
> Ficus carica (good)
> Feijoa sellowiana (v.good)
> Arbutus unedo (very good)
> Morus alba Pendula (v.good)
> Acacia longifolia (excellent
> Acacia dealbata (excellent)
> Ceratonia siliqua (excellent)
> Ficus nitida (excellent)
> Ficus elastica (excellent)
> Grevillea robusta (good)
> Laurus nobilis (good)
> Olea europea (excellent)
> Plumeria rubra alba (3 years old0 (good) but I am sceptical here!.
> Schinus molle (excellent)
> Cestrum nocturnum (v.good)
> Cestrum elegans purpurea (v.good)
> Justicia brandecans (good)
> Westringia fruticosa var. Alba (good)
> Teucrium fruiticans (excellent)
> Acanthus mollis (excellent)
>
> All these Palms do well * denotes new plant under 3 years old
> Chamaerops humilis
> Cordyline australis (New Zealand cabbage tree) *
> Cordyline baurei (Red Leaved Dracaena) *
> Cycas revoluta
> Dypsis lutescens (Areca lutescens) (Butterfly palm) *
> Macrozamia communis (Australian cycad) *
> Musa *
> Phoenix canariensis
> Phoenix sylvestris (Silver Date Palm)
> Phoenix roebelenii *
> Syagrus romanzoffiana *
> Washingtonia robusta
> Washingtonia filifera
> Yucca gloriosa
> Zamia furfuracea Cardboard palm *
>
> Succulents never die here so we have a lot. Bulbs and rhizomes are not
> always easy except Agapanthus
>
> We are not fond of Cactus so we don't have any except Opuntia ficus-indica
>
> I hope this is of interest and there may be some correlations. I have
> become quite philosopical about my plants now as we have lost quite alot
> and
> it really depressed me. I don't think its to do with watering or not
> watering because I have tried all regimes but I am minded now to think
> that
> its more of wrong plant, wrong place.
>
> Pamela
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-medit-plants@ucdavis.edu
> [o*@ucdavis.edu]On Behalf Of Ben Wiswall
> Sent: 19 September 2008 01:59
> To: medit plants forum
> Subject: Mediterranean is a Big Word
>
>
> Not long ago we took a family trip from southern California to Silicon
> Valley. We travelled through the Tehachapi Mountains, the San Joaquin
> Valley, and the inland foothills on the way north, then south through the
> coast ranges to Santa Cruz, Monterey, and Carmel, and on through Big Sur,
> San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, and Ventura. We covered a lot of ground.
> For the entire journey we were in the California Floristic Province, or
> the
> mediterranean climate region of California, and yet the climate and
> vegetation varied greatly from place to place.
>
>
> What I've found in our own garden in Simi Valley, a hot, dry inland valley
> north of Los Angeles, is that the greatest difference in mediterranean
> climates (for a gardener, anyway) is determined by distance from the ocean
> or sea. I've found many coastal species, whether native like Myrica
> californica or introduced like Leptospermum scoparium, languish in my
> inland
> garden regardless of the irrigation schedule.
>
>
> Can any of you gardening in inland mediterranean areas recommend plants
> that
> have thrived for you? I've had good luck with Olea, Laurus, Melaleuca,
> Heteromeles, Arbutus, Cistus, Ceanothus, Lavandula, Rosmarinus, and
> Limonium, bad luck with Myrica, Leptospermum, Viburmum, most
> Arctostaphylos,
> and Acacia, and middling success with most succulents and bulbs.
>
>
> Anyone else's triumphs or failures would be welcome!
>
>
> Ben Armentrout-Wiswall
> Simi Valley, California
>
>
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