Cimicifuga and Eupatorium maculatum 'gateway'

After burdening this List ad nauseum (and particularly Gene Bush  who
reassured me all through it) with my anxieities about the non-appearance
of these two plants in my new front garden, I feel mildly foolish (but
very pleased) to have a question on the opposite problem.

Both the Cimicifuga and the Joe Pye Weed have returned thick and bushy,
with a large ring of healthy shoots where once there was only one. They
are much too close together.  What is the best time to divide them?  I
know nothing about their structure but can learn.  My two chocolate
eupatorium did not make it through the winter (I think) so I want to
fill in those spots with parts of the others.

Can I do it now?

Nancy Shlaes deGrazia ( Long Grove IL, nw suburbs of Chicago)

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