RE: Clematis

Bill: Yes, I am in Oregon and your point is WELL TAKEN!  I'm sure climate, harshness of winters, etc. would definitely affect growth habit.  Our climate is similar to Englands.  Thanks for making the distinction!

-----Original Message-----
From: Blee811@aol.com [B*@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:09 PM
To: perennials@hort.net
Subject: Re: Clematis


In a message dated 5/14/02 12:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
SSaxton@schwabe.com writes:


> Vitacellas are the easiest of the lot absolutely.  I have about 70 clematis 
> and the vitacellas are bullet-proof in sun or shade and bloom in July and 
> August.
> 
> BUT, they are also some of the most vigorous, getting 12-15 feet rather 
> than 6-8 like most clematis.  
> 
> While I'm not sure I entirely following your arbor dimensions, I can tell 
> you this:
> 
> A mature clematis, at its base, will be 3-4 feet ACROSS.  The vines will of 
> course spread even further than that.

===>In my part of the world, SW Ohio, Z6a, most of the clematis I grow are 
not this vigorous. I have Jackmanii growing up a lamp post, and many others 
growing in relatively confined areas. If it were my arbor, I'd put one at 
each of the four corners, all on the outside.  But I do agree that the 
viticellas are much more vigorous--I have one that has reached the roof of my 
10' tall shed and isn't sure where it wants to go from there.  

Sue, you're in Oregon, aren't you?  Maybe clematis do grow to 3-4 wide there, 
but not where I'm located. Or at least not in my soil, but I don't do much 
soil improvement when I plant them.
Bill Lee 

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