Re: Re: Physostegia
- Subject: Re: Re: Physostegia
- From: D* S*
- Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:10:09 -0600
> > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland asked:
Are they being vigorous in z. 7 and points south?
They are overly vigorous here in high desert zone 6b. Doesn't matter if they
are planted in a bone-dry clay, hot sun area or in nice amended moist
soil--they still spread like crazy and are hard to get rid of. But aht said,
they are pretty.
Deb
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perennials DIGEST Thursday, May 23 2002 Volume 03 : Number 469
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Re: Time and weather
Re: Troublesome plants
Re: Nepeta 'Six Hills Giant was: Troublesome plants
Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
Re: Tecnu was:Poison Ivy Cure Re: Ruta graveolens (spelling?)
Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
Re: Tecnu was:Poison Ivy Cure Re: Ruta graveolens (spelling?)
Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
Re: Tecnu was:Poison Ivy Cure
Re: Campanula 'Kent Belle'
Re: Campanula 'Kent Belle'
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 02:08:26 -0400
From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
Subject: Re: Time and weather
Eva,
Generally woody plants will leaf out again. It costs the plant in
energy, but their alternative is dying, so they make the effort. All
flowers, of course, will be lost, but the plant should survive. You
may see more twig die off or even some branch die off as a result,
depending on the extent of damage. If any are smallish and precious,
then wait for them to start recovering and give them an extra feed of
some kind. Don't feed them until you see new leaves developing;
fertilizing stressed plants does more damage than good. Make sure
they get ample water this season to help them recover if summer turns
dry - and well into fall; up to dormancy.
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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> From: Eva Thorn <ebt007@prodigy.net>
>
> I have frozen hostas too and irises, which is something I have not
seen
> before. Do you know if they will come back? Many woody plants like
gingko,
> walnuts, locusts, Clethra, mulberries and spruces had their new
growth
> blackened by the frost. A very sad sight to see, especially when
flower buds
> are included. I know from experience that mulberries will send out
new
> leaves and hope the rest of the plants will survive too.
>
> Eva Thorn
> St Charles IL, zone 5
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:21:25 -0400
From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
Subject: Re: Troublesome plants
Well, Chris, glad I'm not alone here! Also nice to find there is a
form of creeping Charlie that is not immortal..
Of course we don't think you're a horrible gardener. Remember, you
have to kill at plant at least 3 times before you give up on it:-)
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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> From: Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@mallorn.com>
>
> > And, Physostegia is one plant I can not manage to grow. Have
tried
> > several times and killed the lot:-( One of those plants
"anybody"
> > can grow anywhere; borderline invasive...sigh.
>
> Me too, actually. :) And Campanula punctata -- it's died a couple
> of times as well.
>
> I even planted the variegated creeping charlie once. It died too.
>
> I think I just don't baby those as much (read that as 'at all').
If
> they die, I'm not really too heart-broken.
>
> Chris (who everyone now thinks is a horrible gardener :)
>
> http://www.hort.net/gallery/ 2687 online plant photos and
growing!
> http://www.hort.net/gallery/date/2002-05-19/ The latest
additions
>
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:24:25 -0400
From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
Subject: Re: Nepeta 'Six Hills Giant was: Troublesome plants
Now, Claire, that's a thought I had not had! Thanks. I've caged
mine, but never found it satisfactory.....will try the hair cut
route. When do you do this?
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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> From: ECPep@aol.com
<snip>
>
> Nepeta "Six Hills Giant" flops open and becomes untidy so is
another plant
> that can be sheared back around ten inches and become strong in the
second
> growth. It begins to sound llike a broken record with me but this
is another
> plant that should not have rich border soil.
>
> Claire Peplowski
> NYS z4
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:33:54 -0400
From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
Subject: Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
Well, at least, Isabelle, you've gotten them to grow somewhere:-) I
have had singular failure no matter where I've put them. I wonder if
climate has anything to do with this?
Are they being vigorous in z. 7 and points south?
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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> From: Isabelle Hayes <bhayes@catskill.net>
>
> Here's another one who has "lost" physostegia; I had a lot of them
at my
> former home, and took a bunch for replanting in the new digs, this
was
> about six years ago;
>
> first I put them in one place, not moist at all; they didn't do
well
> there, but did come back; then I moved them to a sunnier and
moister
> location, and guess what? this year they haven't come back at all.
>
> But I bought new plants and put them in a third location, so we'll
see.
> I really like this plant.
>
> Isabelle Hayes
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:01:33 -0400
From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
Subject: Re: Tecnu was:Poison Ivy Cure Re: Ruta graveolens (spelling?)
Cheryl, I second and third you. Tecnu is the greatest stuff
since...well, soap. I only have to look at poison ivy and I've got
it; spent years in intermittent misery until I discovered this
wonderful stuff. Now, I just grab the bottle and wash up with it
after coming in from the garden...haven't had a case of PI since I
found it. Have not used the post exposure creams, just the 'soap'.
Trick is you have to follow instructions and massage it in for the
full 2 minutes.
Gemplers (marvelous supplier of myriad stuff) carries it:
http://www.gemplers.com/
Deerbusters site carries it and think CVS may also have it.
http://www.deer-busters.com/dee-0177.html
Here's the Tecnu web site:
http://www.teclabsinc.com/cleanse.html
They also have a page of suppliers
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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> From: Cheryl Isaak <cherylisaak@adelphia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> >Sorry for you guys with the poison ivy, isn't there some new OTC
remedy for
> >PI. It certainly can make life miserable in the garden. I used
to live next
> >to a man who ran over it with is lawn mower once in a while and he
ended up
> >in the hospital for breathing in the thrown up grass behind the
mower.
>
> Technu is the latest and greatest thing for poison ivy - there is
> "soap" for exposure and several creams. Great stuff, I keep it
with
> the camping gear.
> I know Walt Nickes sells it and I'll bet that it is in some drug
> stores. I need to replace mine, so I'll be looking!
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:20:37 -0400
From: "Ralph Crump" <rjcrump@bluecrab.org>
Subject: Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
Marge:
Yes, they are vigorous in Zone 7, Eastern Shore of Md. They do quite well
for me in full sun.
Jean Crump, Zone 7
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From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
To: <perennials@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
> Well, at least, Isabelle, you've gotten them to grow somewhere:-) I
> have had singular failure no matter where I've put them. I wonder if
> climate has anything to do with this?
>
> Are they being vigorous in z. 7 and points south?
>
> Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> mtalt@hort.net
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> > From: Isabelle Hayes <bhayes@catskill.net>
> >
> > Here's another one who has "lost" physostegia; I had a lot of them
> at my
> > former home, and took a bunch for replanting in the new digs, this
> was
> > about six years ago;
> >
> > first I put them in one place, not moist at all; they didn't do
> well
> > there, but did come back; then I moved them to a sunnier and
> moister
> > location, and guess what? this year they haven't come back at all.
> >
> > But I bought new plants and put them in a third location, so we'll
> see.
> > I really like this plant.
> >
> > Isabelle Hayes
>
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:34:19 -0400
From: "Miles" <miles@hspower.com>
Subject: Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
I am in zone 7b in South Carolina where they're growing rampantly in several
neighbors' gardens as well as mine (until my husband went after them!) All
in full sun, amended clay soil, on the dry side.
Barbara
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From: Marge Talt <mtalt@hort.net>
To: <perennials@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
> Well, at least, Isabelle, you've gotten them to grow somewhere:-) I
> have had singular failure no matter where I've put them. I wonder if
> climate has anything to do with this?
>
> Are they being vigorous in z. 7 and points south?
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:36:58 -0600
From: connie hoy <greenn@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Tecnu was:Poison Ivy Cure Re: Ruta graveolens (spelling?)
Hi Marge,
Since I am on the Poison Oak side of the country must ask does this
product work for that?While I dont easily get it have many friends who
do,thanks for the tip.
Connie
Marge Talt wrote:
> Cheryl, I second and third you. Tecnu is the greatest stuff
> since...well, soap. I only have to look at poison ivy and I've got
> it; spent years in intermittent misery until I discovered this
> wonderful stuff. Now, I just grab the bottle and wash up with it
> after coming in from the garden...haven't had a case of PI since I
> found it. Have not used the post exposure creams, just the 'soap'.
> Trick is you have to follow instructions and massage it in for the
> full 2 minutes.
>
> Gemplers (marvelous supplier of myriad stuff) carries it:
> http://www.gemplers.com/
>
> Deerbusters site carries it and think CVS may also have it.
> http://www.deer-busters.com/dee-0177.html
>
> Here's the Tecnu web site:
>
> http://www.teclabsinc.com/cleanse.html
>
> They also have a page of suppliers
>
> Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> mtalt@hort.net
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> ----------
> > From: Cheryl Isaak <cherylisaak@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > >Sorry for you guys with the poison ivy, isn't there some new OTC
> remedy for
> > >PI. It certainly can make life miserable in the garden. I used
> to live next
> > >to a man who ran over it with is lawn mower once in a while and he
> ended up
> > >in the hospital for breathing in the thrown up grass behind the
> mower.
> >
> > Technu is the latest and greatest thing for poison ivy - there is
> > "soap" for exposure and several creams. Great stuff, I keep it
> with
> > the camping gear.
> > I know Walt Nickes sells it and I'll bet that it is in some drug
> > stores. I need to replace mine, so I'll be looking!
>
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:43:11 -0400
From: Cheryl Isaak <cherylisaak@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Physostegia was: Troublesome plants
Very interesting - I got mine from a friend in MA - rampant in her case.
Five years later, still two smallish clumps. Full sun, dry soil,
slightly on the acid side. They share the iris bed - along with
100's of unknown allium seedlings! Those will come out the next time
I divide the iris.
So far, nepeta's are very well behaved - the worst thug I deal with
are all the redbeckias re-seeding from my neighbor's garden. The
loosestrife will move to the hill, where it is dry and sandy and will
get to cope with the brambles, yucca and KWANSO daylilies.
I have first bloom on my daylilies - SARATOGA SPRINGTIME opened
yesterday - the cold temps haven't hurt it much.
Cheryl
- --
Cheryl Isaak
Londonderry, NH
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:12:24 -0400
From: Cheryl Isaak <cherylisaak@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Tecnu was:Poison Ivy Cure
Hi Connie,
I suspect it would - I was unable to find a website just for Technu,
the PI sites did mention poison oak too! I think that the base toxin
is very similar between PO, PI and poison sumac! I don't get PI
easily - and there isn't much around my yard, but it is the first
thing I teach the kids to watch for.
A warning for one OTC remedy for PI - Rhuli gel may cause an allergic
reaction like PI! Trust me on this! Worse than a bad burn and took
ages to heal and the scar is only now fading!
Well, I should be able to get my stitches out today or tomorrow.
(sliced my thumb washing up after lunch and got two stitches; got to
drive myself to the ER and everything!) So I can finally get back in
the garden! Hurrah!
Cheryl
- --
Cheryl Isaak
Londonderry, NH
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:20:31 -0500
From: "Cindy Johnson" <cidjohnson323@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Campanula 'Kent Belle'
Hi Paul,
How long does the 1st flush of bloom last?
Cindy Johnson
White Bear Lake, MN
zone 4a
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From: Meum71@aol.com
To: perennials@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Campanula 'Kent Belle'
Great plant if you like dark blue-very large bell shaped tube flowers. The
foliage in the spring is a yellow-gold color, plants grow 3 feet tall when in
bloom. Mine do not spread but the clumps grow larger each year. I wish it
spread more but my four year old clumps are well behaved. If you cut it back
after its done flowering it will flower again into fall. The wood chucks
like them too!
Paul
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:55:08 EDT
From: Meum71@aol.com
Subject: Re: Campanula 'Kent Belle'
In a message dated 5/23/2002 8:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
cidjohnson323@attbi.com writes:
>
> Hi Paul,
> How long does the 1st flush of bloom last?
>
> Cindy Johnson
> White Bear Lake, MN
> zone 4a
>
three weeks or more. Long bloomer like most of the large bellflowers, it
starts in June and blooms into late July.
Paul
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