Re: perennials DIGEST V3 #1

I think they might be caterpillars of Monarch butterflies.

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perennials DIGEST Sunday, September 3 2006 Volume 03 : Number 001



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Re: Purple sedum with strange beetles.
Purple sedum with strange beetles.
Re: Purple sedum with strange beetles.
Re: Purple sedum with strange beetles.

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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:19:14 +0200
From: "Agoston Janos" <agoston.janos@citromail.hu>
Subject: Re: Purple sedum with strange beetles.

Dear Martin,

It is not a bee. It is a kind of butterfly.
This butterfly is just acting like a bee, it is called mimicry. It is because
they can trick birds and humans too. The birds know well, that bees can pierce
animals and humans if they feel they are in danger.

After an affaire both people and animals memorizes the colours and sounds of
bees, so next tme they can avoid piercing...

But burds like to eat butterflies, which cannot pierce. So some of them are
started to copy the looking and sound of bees to avoid being the dinner of a
bird.


Bye,
Janos,
Hungary, Z5
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Martinson
To: perennials-hort.net
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:40 AM
Subject: Purple sedum with strange beetles.


Here's a link to a photo I took of a pollen-laden bumblebee on one of my
purple sedums. But what kind of beetles are those next to it? I don't
recall having seen any like that before.

http://home.wi.rr.com/llmen/bee1.jpg


Don Martinson
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
l*@wi.rr.com

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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:40:50 -0500
From: Don Martinson <LLmen@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Purple sedum with strange beetles.

Here's a link to a photo I took of a pollen-laden bumblebee on one of my
purple sedums. But what kind of beetles are those next to it? I don't
recall having seen any like that before.

http://home.wi.rr.com/llmen/bee1.jpg


Don Martinson
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
l*@wi.rr.com

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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:15:08 EDT
From: Blee811@aol.com
Subject: Re: Purple sedum with strange beetles.

In a message dated 9/3/2006 12:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LLmen@wi.rr.com writes:

But what kind of beetles are those next to it? I don't
recall having seen any like that before.



I see those beetles here in SW Ohio all the time, Don, but I don't know what
they are either. Will be interested in hearing about them.
Bill Lee

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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:49:48 -0500
From: Don Martinson <LLmen@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Purple sedum with strange beetles.

On 9/3/06 4:19 AM, "Agoston Janos" <agoston.janos@citromail.hu> wrote:

Dear Martin,

It is not a bee. It is a kind of butterfly.
This butterfly is just acting like a bee, it is called mimicry.
Dear Janos,

I am curious. I know that there are a number of flies (Diptera) that are
bee mimics, but the only Lepidopteran bee mimic I was aware of is one of the
Sphynx moths, Hemaris diffinis. I tried to locate of picture of the
specimen in question so that I could see the antennae better. A
Lepidopteran should have a thicker or feathered antennae.

At best I would think we have a moth mimicing a bee, but not a butterfly.


Don Martinson
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
l*@wi.rr.com

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