Re: Killing weeds with fire?


Chris, I wrote the following letter the day I read your post intending to add 
to and send later -- but after returning to the list and reading all the 
responses, I didn't have the heart to send my get-in-there-and-DIG banner, my 
archaic method seems really outdated in this crowd ;-)                          
                                                                                
                            But now that you've brought up the matter of 
"digging," I'll add my 2 cents even if it is "ICK!"                             
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                        Chris, it sounds as if you're in the 
mood for a major project; and a dramatic one at that with the Fire and Water 
plan*       Roundup can be so fickle and such a pain. The applying..the 
waiting...and on and on. My tried and true labor intensive tactic: You and 
your trusty spade get out there and dig.  I suspect this is hardly the advice 
you meant to solicit, but when all the folderol of other, probably easier 
methods is said and done; digging and cleaning the area out yourself is the 
ticket!                             I can already hear many voices in 
protest, my father's being the loudest. He is champion of the Apply the 
Roundup; Put-Down-the-Black-Plastic School. There IS no other means of 
removing weeds and grass for people of this persuasion, period.     While my 
method may be a little backbreaking, it does the trick for me and in far less 
time than the Roundup or the Black Plastic. First, the fun part -- I edge the 
entire perimeter with a spade/shovel. I've seen lots of people use the garden 
hose design here: placing your hose as a guide along the perimeter of the 
bed, then edging alongside the hose. This is supposed to be very helpful for 
curving borders, but I'm certain I'd splice the thing in two and it seems an 
unnecessary measure to me -- freehand design works nicely.                      
                                                                                
            Next comes the not-so-fun part.  Deep digging and turning. This 
can be done in one or two steps: digging half the depth you need to go and 
leaving it all overturned to dry -- which makes it easier to get all the 
visible weeds out. OR digging the entire depth at least 8" (though more is 
better I think) and turning it for a few days until you've manually removed 
all the weeds. Sometimes when I'm dealing with monster soil, I divide up the 
job, but it seems that more weed seeds stick around this way. If I can 
overturn the entire area and get the weeds out before it rains (no drought 
joke intended) -that seems to help keep the area cleaner of errant seeds 
appearing later, too.                                                           
                                                                                
                    Depending upon how driven you are to complete the job, 
the bed could be ready for planting in a week I like to wait about a week or 
so to monitor the success of the weed removal, then add all the good stuff 
and give it a chance to settle in before what I call the "desert" of the job, 
PLANTING!                                           All this home-style 
advice is probably more than you needed to hear or perhaps NOT even close to 
what you wanted to hear!  While the vision of torching a 
soon-to-be-perennial-bed has a swashbuckling attraction to it, it struck me 
as a bit severe; but I could be dead wrong. You'll have to let us know what 
you decide and how it goes.  Beginning a new bed is so exciting -- what are 
you planting?                                                                   
                                                                                
                            Chris it's my guess you'll want to add Preem to 
this digging menu. Immediately after digging or at the very end of the 
process?                                                                        
                                            Good Luck!                          
                                            Holly                               
                                            Zone 7

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