Re: genetics
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- Subject: Re: genetics
- From: T*
- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:03:05 -0400
I think that is what I said. If ya just throw the silver bullet seeds
in the ground and come back in october to harvest the pumpkin you probably
will not be looking at a world record. That should simplify the discussion a
bit. Or, Good genetics + Knowledge + Hard Work + Time = Big Pumpkins. Or, If
you don't know what your doing send your seeds to Me :).
Troy
-----Original Message-----
From: Vickie Brock <brocfarm@pacific.net>
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: genetics
>Steve and Troy,
>
>I mentioned earlier that every year i change my weighting on genetics vs
>technique. Last year it was on technique. The reason being, behind every
700+
>is a grower that worked hard. But i have found that working hard doesn't
>gaurantee a big one. Each seed from a pumpkin is not created equally.
each
>seed has a different code make up. The great grower Sproule could plant
his 690
>again and only get a 678. He could do everything the same. And if the seed
>doesn't have the predetermined aggressive growth it will just be average.
I
>wonder how much a decent grower enhances the weight of a pumpkin. Now i
am not
>talking about growers that neglect but growers that give it their all and
only
>hit a medium weights. This i feel is totally tied to the predetermined
genetic
>make-up. So I put major emphasis on genetics and because it is such a
lottery
>with the seeds the only thing i think a grower can do is work hard make the
best
>conditions possible and with the luck of the draw you get a pumpkin that
wants
>to grow and grow.........brock
>
>> Troy, I agree with your statement that to much emphasis is put on the
>> genetics of your seed.Many of us have planted "super" seeds, but end
>> up with mediocre fruits.If the proper soilph, nutrients, etc. are not
>> met, I feel there's no chance of getting a huge fruit. If genetics was
>> main growth factor, we'd be seeing many 900 or 1000 pound pumpkins
>> each year with all the seeds being sent around the world. Look at
>> Harley Sproule and his 968 last year. The seed is not genetically the
>> best looking, but through proper soil preparation and sound growing
>> techniques, he produced an excellent pumpkin in only his third year, a
>> feat many of us have tried, but few have accomplished.Pumpkinpiper
>>
>> >From: "Troy" <troynayler@golden.net>
>> >Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
>> >To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
>> >Subject: Re: (no subject)
>> >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:55:59 -0400
>> >
>> >Harold,
>> > I am aware that the traites from the male do not show up until the
seeds
>> >from the pumpkin it's pollin fertilized are planted. I have also
observed
>> >that some of the best traites from the Zehr line of pumpkins are thier
huge
>> >vines and rapid growth. And I believe that these traites are passed from
the
>> >males pollen. If you have no experience at growing a plant with such
>> >demanding characteristics the chances of the pumpkin making it to
october
>> >are slim. You have to know how to slow down growth when needed, shade,
spray
>> >etc etc. There are certain lines of pumpkin a beginner should grow and
>> >certain lines an experienced grower will do better with. I think that
some
>> >of the traites people find in the Zehr line, like splitting, may not be
a
>> >bad thing. You just need to know what to do for a VERY fast growing
pumpkin.
>> >The Zehrs seemed to have very good success with their line because they
are
>> >experienced growers.
>> >
>> >Also, people are putting too much hope into genetics. If you dont know
how
>> >to grow pumpkins your chances are slim of ever getting the big one even
with
>> >the silver bullet. Don't get me wrong, genetics are important but only
for
>> >people that know how to grow these things. "Nature vs Nurture" :)
>> >
>> >Have a good day.
>> >
>> >Troy
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Harold Eddleman Ph.D. <indbio@disknet.com>
>> >To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
>> >Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:33 AM
>> >Subject: Re: (no subject)
>> >
>> >
>> >>pumpkins@mallorn.com wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I wouldt try if I had a seed. The pumpkin genetics are great. BUT
they
>> >are a
>> >>> hard line to grow. The grower needs alot of experience or you may
>> >encounter
>> >>> cracking of the fruit because of the very fast growth rate. If you ar
an
>> >>> experienced grower then be sure to plant that seed. One suggestion
use it
>> >as
>> >>> a male cross to another plant. . . . . . and just hope for a big one
on
>> >it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Troy
>> >> If the concern is about splitting that occurred in the fruit which
>> >>produced the seed. That trait might well be lost in the childern.
>> >> I guess you were thinking you should use use he potential splitter as
>> >>male because it might split before the seeds were mature. However, if
>> >>any hopes putting big pollem on a little flower to get a big fruit from
>> >>the little flower in 1999 that will not work.
>> >> In farm animals using a large male on a small female can cause a
large
>> >>child that causes delivery problems, but the story in plants is
>> >>different. In plants you have to wait a year to get the bigger fruit
>> >>effect of the cross.
>> >>--
>> >>Harold Eddleman Ph.D. Microbiologist. i*@disknet.com
>> >>Location: Palmyra IN USA; 36 kilometers west of Louisville, Kentucky
>> >>http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab = Agriculture, science projects
>> >>and info for amateurs, gardeners, farmers, teachers, kids
>> >>http://wwbbs.otherside.com/PUBLIC/HOMEPAGE/haroldeddleman_303/INDEX.HTM
>> >> Home Science Projects: fun for parent and child, Computer programs
>> >>http://ibl.webjump.com/ger.htm <== Simple german for beginners.
>> >>
>> >>
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