RE: Return to Genetic ramblings

Glenn (LIpumpkin) wrote ......"due to the wishy-washy determinations of what we
call
squash and pumpkin you cannot go by the common terminaology or classification
as found in contest records or AGGC."
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How true.......the contest records and AGGC always reflect what the fruit was
JUDGED to be. The judges have to go by the "Rules" of the contest. Most of the
"contest rules" say that if a fruit was orange or cream during the growing
season
and if it TURNS a certain % of green by the time that it gets to the
scales....it
is a SQUASH.   How miraculous !.....like magic.....  Your PUMPKIN is now a
SQUASH !!
I think a lot of growers (myself included) believe that a TRUE squash is usually
green from
the cradle to the grave.......  lets face it, we have a 2 headed dragon
here.....
the rules (which are influenced by politics and prize purses) often will
classify
pumpkins as squash...... but usually not squash as pumpkins.....yep, its
miraculous!
Seriously, some rules changes are needed.

My point is......if you are interested in growing a true squash, contact
the grower or someone with first hand knowledge and find out if the green
is most likely genetic.... or a miraculous conception by some ludicrous contest
rule.

George
Napa, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf
Of LIpumpkin@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:29 AM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: Re: Return to Genetic ramblings


In a message dated 2/19/2003 10:07:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
cliffrwarren@hotmail.com writes:


> Then on the other hand, some things are unexplained to
> me, such as Kirk Mombert's 723 plant in 2001. He had a
> tremendous squash and pumpkin on the same plant. True
> that both were pale, but when they're growing on the
> same plant, they should have the same genetics, right?
> That is something that our simplified model does not
> explain.
>
> The 723 Bobier seems to be one of those seed stocks where
> some seeds fall on one side and some on the other.
>
>
 First off...lets get the facts straight....the Mombert "squash" was not a
full green/blue from day 30 squash but a  late season greener from what I
understand. Secondly, due to the wishy-washy determinations of what we call
squash and pumpkin you cannot go by the common terminaology or classification
as found in contest records or AGGC. The only difference between the first
fruit on the MOmbert plant and the second fruit was the % of
green...................G

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