Re: the real truth and history about selling ag's seeds.

Hi David,
PVP stands for Plant Variety Protection.  If you go to:
 
_http://www.howarddill.com/trade.html_ (http://www.howarddill.com/trade.html) 
 
Howard Dill's site explains this.  
Also -  June 1, 2004 
 
Dill's Atlantic Giant Pumpkin No Longer A Protected  Variety  
_The following is from the Plant Variety Protection Office web  page:_ 
(http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/findpvp.pl)   
Plant Variety Protection Number: 8500204 
 
____________________________________
Variety: Dill's Atlantic  Giant
Taxon: Cucurbita maxima Duchesne
Crop: Pumpkin
Applicant: Howard Dill Enterprises, Ltd.
Date filed: 09/09/1985
Status: Certificate  Expired 
Status date: 05/30/2004
Date issued: 05/30/1986
Years protected: 18
Number of pages: 10


In a message dated 2/14/2005 9:54:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
kingdavid1.uk@btopenworld.com writes:

Hi Cliff

I love  your site, I looked in all through last year so you could say I'm
your  number 1 fan this side of the Ditch, we both speak english but are
divided  by language, so please tell me what is a PVP.

Your fan in  England'

David


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cliff  Warren" <cliffwarren@yahoo.com>
To:  <pumpkins@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:06  AM
Subject: Re: the real truth and history about selling ag's  seeds.


> > One thing that I've noticed as I watched  this
> > discussion is that there have been almost no
> >  posts from the usual contributors to the list.
>
> Well, I'll give  it a shot. The PVP may have
> expired, but I would double check to make  sure it
> hasn't been renewed in some way. That's just the
> sort  of thing that could happen and not make it
> onto a government  website.
>
> But I also don't think that people will be  able
> to produce seed for any significant profit. Two
> reasons,  1) the big one, there are too many
> people
> who will always give  out seeds just for the
> asking,
> and 2) the "business model"  doesn't make sense.
>
> Anybody want to give me $30.00 for my  seeds?
> I didn't think so. They aren't proven. On the
> other  hand, every grower can produce thousands of
>
> new seeds every  year, more than they can ever
> plant. There is a glut of  seeds.
>
> In fact, just from good, promising seeds that
>  people have sent me, I could go the rest of my
> life without ever  asking for another seed, and
> just pull from this stock. (Assuming for  the
> moment that they didn't get too old....) In the
> middle of  the winter I asked a forum, "Anybody
> got
> some good looking  descendants from the 898?"
> Almost immediately I had offers from  everywhere.
> Thanks everyone, I have a tough decision to make
>  from all the promising seeds.
>
> I wouldn't worry about the  occasional Ebay sale.
> It's really an isolated event.
>
>  Regards, Cliff
>
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