FW: 869 Calai flat vine / 1020 Papez FLAT VINE ? 5ft of 1020 goes BYE-BYE

 
Subject: RE: 869 Calai flat vine / 1020 Papez FLAT VINE ? 5ft of 1020 goes BYE-BYE

I finally cut back the 1020 to just after some normal secondaries,  this message didn't get thru with the actual pics so I'm reposting without them and just the links.

You's make call this a flat vine but this is definitely a mutant in my opinion. Reminded me of an alligator; leaf stems were coming out of the underside.

Here's links to these & a few other pics in case these pics don't come thru:

http://server3001.freeyellow.com/bowtiesupply/img/garden/1020Papez_Double_Flat01BYEBYE.JPG

http://server3001.freeyellow.com/bowtiesupply/img/garden/1020Papez_Double_Flat02BYEBYE.JPG

http://server3001.freeyellow.com/bowtiesupply/img/garden/1020Papez_Double_Flat03BYEBYE.JPG

http://server3001.freeyellow.com/bowtiesupply/img/garden/1020Papez_Double_Flat04BYEBYE.JPG

 

Was the 567.5 Mombert a flat vine?

Mark

 


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [mailto:owner-pumpkins@hort.net]On Behalf
Of Mark K.
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 3:02 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: RE: 869 Calai flat vine / 1020 Papez FLAT VINE ?


I posted 6 new pics of the 1020 Papez & 594 Smith flat/double/mutants at the
below link on BigPumpkins.com; there's also a close-up pic of a pair of
Squash Vine Borer eggs laid within 1/2" of each other from last year.

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/gallery/useralbum.asp?u=11179


After hitting the 1020 with some water soluble 30-8-8 this week, some
"normal" secondaries are appearing, however, they are growing more
vertically instead of horizontally, and the main vine's "dual" leaves are
still wrapping under the vine and coming out the other side, as well as a
multitude of tendrels strangling nearby leaf stems. Some of the males on
this plant also have leaves at the base of the flower cones instead of the
typical petiole "spikes", similar to the 594 Smith (791 GLASIER(567.5
Mombert self and sibbed) X 723 BOBIER.) While I think the pics may be an
interesting contribution to the AGGC, I think they're the "wrong color of
green" so I can't research any family trees beyond the above plus what Andy
contributed about the Shymanski 825.5 genes in the 1056.5 Dueck. Any more
growers with similar problems on plants having similar family tree members,
please post. Thanks.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [mailto:owner-pumpkins@hort.net]On Behalf
Of Doug.Parker@sce.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:27 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: Re: 869 Calai flat vine / 1020 Papez FLAT VINE ?


Same here.  My 1020 has gone totally flat at about 6 ft long.  I split the
tip last night.  If that doesn't work, its secondary vine time.  But like
you said, there's damn few of those!

Doug Parker
Sierra Madre CA








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I have to agree,... my 1020 is a mutant .... 4 inch thick flat vine, 24
inch
leaves (young leaves) growing like a BUSH squash!!!! unbelieveable looking.
The main (flat) vine is about 10 feet now, no signs of buds (female flowers
yet) and it is not splitting off and no real secondary vine to speak of
yet.

I think this plant is going to turn into a pollinator.

Anybody out there have a 1020 Papez that is growing a normal vine?

David
Sterling, MA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark K." <korney19@adelphia.net>
To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: 869 Calai flat vine


> See the thread "RE: 1020 Papez (& its roommate 594 Smith, the
Octipumpkins;
> LONG LIVE THE ebay ESCAPEE 1062 RIVARD)" from early last week; similar
> problems on the 1020 Papez, a daughter of the 846 Calai. Is it the Calai,
or
> is it coincidental, or maybe the seeds got irradiated in the mail this
year
> popping lots of doubles/flats/mutants?
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [mailto:owner-pumpkins@hort.net]On Behalf
> Of BILL J. SADOWSKI
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:39 PM
> To: INTERNET:pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: 869 Calai flat vine
>
>
> Has anyone planted the 869 Calai?   I had a very strange thing happen to
> me, never seen this before.   My Calai 869 shot out  secondary vine
pretty
> close to the stump and flat vined.   I let it grow some (about 8') but it
> split into two more flat vines.   I cut this secondary off today.   The
> rest of the plant is growing like gang busters.
> I planted this seed last year and did not experience this strange event.
> Anyone have a similar experience?
> Bill Sadowski, in Ohio and pushing to pollinate a female.
>
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