Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
Toby,
You failed to tell Tad about the mains, secondaries and tertiaries.
Tad,
Your main vine is pretty easy to recognize. It's your most important vine,
and you hope you can set a pumpkin on your main. Just go to where the plant
comes out of the ground. That's your main.
All vines growing out of the main are secondaries. These are the vines to
keep an eye on. They can take up all your time. Every secondary will have
junctures, which are called leaf nodes, from which grow - at each - a leaf,
a vine and a tendril. Most people prune away the tendrils and the leaf node
vines, leaving only the leaf. The sooner you catch them, the less damage to
the plant. Many growers bury their secondaries, if only at the leaf nodes.
The vines that you prune off, the vines that grow from the secondaries'
leaf nodes, are called tertiaries. Nobody likes them. Cut them off while
they are small.
Good luck!
Kathie
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>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>Subject: RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
>Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2004, 3:01 PM
>
> Tad,
>
> as has been stated, Bigpumpkins is a great source of information for you.
> but to answer your question more directly, lets use a hypothetical seed...
>
> 888 Orangebucket 03
>
> This is the name of a pumpkin, and all the seeds inside it, and all the
> plants that grow from the seed.
>
> 888 = the weight of the pumpkin
> Orangebucket = the name (usually the last name) of the grower who grew it
> 03 = the year it was grown.
>
> Lets say you want to grow an 888 orangebucket. You would contact the
> grower (Jenny Orangebucket lets say) and ask for her 888 03 seeds. Now you
> have some 888 Orangebucket seeds that came from her 888 pound pumpkin,
> grown in 2003. On May first you germinate 888 Orangebucket seeds. On July
> 1, you post a question about pollinating your 888 Orangebucket female
> flower. On August 1st you post a question about healing chew holes some
> animal made on the pumpkin growing from your 888 Orangebucket. On
> September 1st, you inform us all that your 888 Orangebucket is starting to
> slow down, haveing gained only 35 poounds a day for the past 5 days--you
> are out of the 40+ pounds per day range now. On October 3, you cut the
> pumpkin from the vine and take it to the weigh-off. At the weigh-off your
> pumpkin weighs 914 pounds.
>
> Now you have a 914 MILLER 04! People will refer to your pumpkin, and its
> seeds, and the plants that come from those seeds from then on as the 914
Miller 04.
>
> Other lingo that you see on seed packets and stuff...
> self = means that the fruit was self polinated, not crossed with another
plant.
> Open = you did not EXPLICITLY CONTROL the polination process at EVERY
> POSSIBLE MOMENT. If there was a split secong when a bug could have flown
> into either the male or female flower used in the pollination process, you
> have open pollinated.
> sib = you have two plants growing from the same seed stock and cross
> pollinate them.
> * = when you were at the weigh-off, judges determined that your fruit was a
> squash, not a pumpkin. If you didn't take it to the weigh-off, you get to
decide.
> UOW = UnOfficial Weight. This means your fruit was weighed, but not
> weighed on a certified scale.
> EST = this means your fruit was never weighed, only measured and the weight
> was estimated based on weight charts.
>
> These are the ones I see the most. I'm sure the questions can get more
> specific, so fire away... Somebody here has to have answers.
>
> Come to think of it, what kind of nomenclature have we decided on for stuff
> like clones?
>
> Toby
>
> Tad Miller <tmiller@gschq.com> wrote:
> Tad here,
>
> I have been reading these imails and have been trying to keep up with the
> language.
>
> Is there a web site that can explain what the Number and Names of these
> pumpkins mean?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tad / pack 819
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pumpkins DIGEST [p*@hort.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 1:01 AM
> To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
> Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
>
>
>
> pumpkins DIGEST Monday, July 5 2004 Volume 01 : Number 024
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: Pollination
> Pollination
> RE: Pollination
> Re: Pollination
> THE BABY IS GETTING BIGGER
> Re: Pollination
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:15:02 EDT
> From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
> Martin
> You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll over
> on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to make them into
> wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally.
> A few years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel along
> with a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not spent much time
in
> the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you we enjoyed
> looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he had. I just like the
> variations of looks on the pumpkins.
> Bob Troy a few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over and saw
> the little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few weeks later Bob
> called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I was in Shock it went
from
> Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny plant.. Go
> figure...
>
> OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of pumpkins
> in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at?
> What is your favorite for vine maintenance?
> Favorite for color ??
>
> Ok that should get us going !!!!
> OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 inches
> higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made the stem stay
> right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I like that !!
>
> So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem
> straight down..
> Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like my 703* and Bob Troys
> 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right on the ground! If you want
picks
> of what I mean I can send them to you...
> And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE GREEN
> ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!
>
> I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home patch on
> there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 Gregory.. You
> never know what is desirable! take care and I wish everyone a Happy and
Healthy
> Fourth of July !!!
>
> Kevin Smith
> Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:28:00 -0800
> From: "kathie morgan"
> Subject: Pollination
>
> Kevin,
> Did you see the Future Farmer pumpkin grown last year, beautiful WW shape?
> I asked the FF grower, and he said it rolled over on its stem, pushing the
> stem into the ground. Right up to harvest, he said, he didn't know that he
> had a sound pumpkin. He did, and what a figure! In a previous post, you
> suggested pollinating everything on the main with the same male so as to
> eliminate that one variable when culling time begins. I never thought of
> the male as being so important that one would base a culling decision on
> it. Can someone explain to me WHY it's important, unless you're growing
> seeds to sell? Thanks! Kathie
> - --
>
>
> - ----------
>>From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
>>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>>Subject: Re: Pollination
>>Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2004, 11:15 AM
>>
>
>> Martin
>> You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll
>> over on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to
>> make them into wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally.
>> A few years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel
>> along with a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not
>> spent much time
> in
>> the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you we
>> enjoyed looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he had.
>> I just like the variations of looks on the pumpkins.
>> Bob Troy a few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over
>> and saw the little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few
>> weeks later Bob called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I
>> was in Shock it went
> from
>> Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny
>> plant.. Go figure...
>>
>> OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of
>> pumpkins in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at? What is
>> your favorite for vine maintenance? Favorite for color ??
>>
>> Ok that should get us going !!!!
>> OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4
>> inches higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made
>> the stem stay right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I
>> like that !!
>>
>> So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem
>> straight down.. Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like
>> my 703* and Bob Troys 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right
>> on the ground! If you want
> picks
>> of what I mean I can send them to you...
>> And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE
>> GREEN ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!
>>
>> I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home
>> patch on there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345
>> Gregory.. You never know what is desirable! take care and I wish
>> everyone a Happy and
> Healthy
>> Fourth of July !!!
>>
>> Kevin Smith
>> Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:33:40 -0400
> From: "Doug Adams"
> Subject: RE: Pollination
>
> Kevin,
> I would like to see those pictures.
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf Of
> Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:15 PM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
>
> Martin
> You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll over
> on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to make them
> into wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally.
> A few years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel along
> with a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not spent much
> time in the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you
> we enjoyed looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he had. I
> just like the variations of looks on the pumpkins.
> Bob Troy a few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over and saw
> the little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few weeks later
> Bob called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I was in Shock it
> went from Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny
> plant.. Go figure...
>
> OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of pumpkins
> in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at? What is your favorite
> for vine maintenance? Favorite for color ??
>
> Ok that should get us going !!!!
> OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 inches
> higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made the stem
> stay right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I like that !!
>
> So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem
> straight down.. Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like my 703*
> and Bob Troys 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right on the ground!
> If you want picks of what I mean I can send them to you...
> And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE GREEN
> ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!
>
> I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home patch on
> there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 Gregory.. You
> never know what is desirable! take care and I wish everyone a Happy and
> Healthy Fourth of July !!!
>
> Kevin Smith
> Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:54:15 EDT
> From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
> Kathie
> You Wrote...
> In a previous post, you suggested pollinating everything on the main with
> the same male so as to eliminate that one variable when culling time
> begins. I never thought of the male as being so important that one would
> base a culling decision on it. Can someone explain to me WHY it's
> important, unless you're growing seeds to sell?
> Kathie come on you know this game as well as I do !!! I plan all winter as
> to the pumpkins I am growing to fit around my crosses. if we didn't care about
> the pollination then we would let everything just go open pollination !! if
> you had been planning a pollination for the whole winter say you had a 935
> Lloyd and you crossed one female with the 865 Mettler, one with the 703 Smith*
one
> with the 600.5 Gregory and one with the 895.5 Hester* just because you didn't
> plan your pollination's well ahead of time. well now you have to decide all
> the factors involved with choosing a pumpkin and OOPS you don't want a chance
> to have a green offspring but it is growing fastest so there goes the 895.5,
> OOPS but the 703* is green also and it has best shape. now we are down between
> the 600.5 and the 865 ... well the 865 will produce seeds that have a Higher
> potential for people to grow if it turns out to be a big pumpkin since the 723
> and 845 are the same cross ... so I would want the 865 cross to remain .....
> see what you have created ..... yes, a Mess !!! so simplify and enjoy what we
> are doing !!! Got it !!! take care and have a wonderful season!
>
> Kevin Smith
> Squash Buckler !!! Still waiting !!!
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:31:48 +0100
> From: "DAVID ASMAN"
> Subject: THE BABY IS GETTING BIGGER
>
> HI all from rainy UK (Southampton)
>
> Last monday I polinated a Reiss 534 x Colbert1043 thursday it was a golf
> ball today it is a soccer ball and perfectly round.
>
> I have a Bhaskaran 756 which I hope to polinate with the Reiss, both of
> these vines are really good and sturdy with leaves 25 inches wide and the
> deapest green I have ever seen, if the weather gets warmer I will have great
hopes.
>
> David Asman
> Pumpkin Limey
> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:06:39 -0800
> From: "kathie morgan"
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
> Kevin,
> Say I grow the 935 Lloyd, and I pollinate the first blossom w/ the 703
> Smith, the second blossom w/ the 1335 Daletas, the third w/ the 1105
> Stucker and the 4th w/ the 943 Brock. If each of the sister blossoms is
> allowed to live, very unlikely, so what if each of them is married to a
> different guy? How likely is it that you'll be growing seeds from ANY of
> the four? If you are selling your seeds (or planting only your own seeds
> and no one else's), I can see how you'd want to control the characteristics
> within each of the seeds. But if you are growing for competition, and
> swapping seeds like most of us, why would you care whether the offspring of
> the #1 above, the 935 Lloyd/703 Smith cross, turned green? Still wondering.
> Soon to be Honorary Aunt Kathie, the left handed wench
> - --
>
>
> - ----------
>>From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
>>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>>Subject: Re: Pollination
>>Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2004, 12:54 PM
>>
>
>> now you have to decide all
>> the factors involved with choosing a pumpkin and OOPS you don't want a
>> chance to have a green offspring but it is growing fastest so there
>> goes the 895.5, OOPS but the 703* is green also and it has best shape.
>> now we are down between the 600.5 and the 865 ... well the 865 will
>> produce seeds that have a Higher potential for people to grow if it
>> turns out to be a big pumpkin since the 723 and 845 are the same cross
>> ... so I would want the 865 cross to remain
> End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
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