RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #26

Great,  this is very helpful.  I was beginning to think that there were truly different verities of Atlantic Giants. 

Tad

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pumpkins DIGEST        Wednesday, July 7 2004        Volume 01 : Number 026



In this issue:

        Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
        media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted
        Re: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted
        Re: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted
        RE: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:59:50 -0800
From: "kathie morgan" <fishrap@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24

Toby,
You failed to tell Tad about the mains, secondaries and tertiaries. Tad, Your main vine is pretty easy to recognize. It's your most important vine, and you hope you can set a pumpkin on your main. Just go to where the plant comes out of the ground. That's your main. All vines growing out of the main are secondaries. These are the vines to keep an eye on. They can take up all your time. Every secondary will have junctures, which are called leaf nodes, from which grow - at each - a leaf, a vine and a tendril. Most people prune away the tendrils and the leaf node vines, leaving only the leaf. The sooner you catch them, the less damage to the plant. Many growers bury their secondaries, if only at the leaf nodes. The vines that you prune off, the vines that grow from the secondaries' leaf nodes, are called tertiaries. Nobody likes them. Cut them off while they are small. Good luck! Kathie
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>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>Subject: RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
>Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2004, 3:01 PM
>

> Tad,
>
> as has been stated, Bigpumpkins is a great source of information for 
> you. but to answer your question more directly, lets use a 
> hypothetical seed...
>
> 888 Orangebucket 03
>
> This is the name of a pumpkin, and all the seeds inside it, and all 
> the plants that grow from the seed.
>
> 888 = the weight of the pumpkin
> Orangebucket = the name (usually the last name) of the grower who grew 
> it 03 = the year it was grown.
>
> Lets say you want to grow an 888 orangebucket.  You would contact the 
> grower (Jenny Orangebucket lets say) and ask for her 888 03 seeds.  
> Now you have some 888 Orangebucket seeds that came from her 888 pound 
> pumpkin, grown in 2003.  On May first you germinate 888 Orangebucket 
> seeds.  On July 1, you post a question about pollinating your 888 
> Orangebucket female flower.  On August 1st you post a question about 
> healing chew holes some animal made on the pumpkin growing from your 
> 888 Orangebucket.  On September 1st, you inform us all that your 888 
> Orangebucket is starting to slow down, haveing gained only 35 poounds 
> a day for the past 5 days--you are out of the 40+ pounds per day range 
> now.  On October 3, you cut the pumpkin from the vine and take it to 
> the weigh-off.  At the weigh-off your pumpkin weighs 914 pounds.
>
> Now you have a 914 MILLER 04!  People will refer to your pumpkin, and 
> its seeds, and the plants that come from those seeds from then on as 
> the 914
Miller 04.
>
> Other lingo that you see on seed packets and stuff...
> self = means that the fruit was self polinated, not crossed with 
> another
plant.
> Open = you did not EXPLICITLY CONTROL the polination process at EVERY 
> POSSIBLE MOMENT.  If there was a split secong when a bug could have 
> flown into either the male or female flower used in the pollination 
> process, you have open pollinated. sib = you have two plants growing 
> from the same seed stock and cross pollinate them.
> * = when you were at the weigh-off, judges determined that your fruit was a
> squash, not a pumpkin.  If you didn't take it to the weigh-off, you get to
decide.
> UOW = UnOfficial Weight.  This means your fruit was weighed, but not 
> weighed on a certified scale. EST = this means your fruit was never 
> weighed, only measured and the weight was estimated based on weight 
> charts.
>
> These are the ones I see the most.  I'm sure the questions can get 
> more specific, so fire away... Somebody here has to have answers.
>
> Come to think of it, what kind of nomenclature have we decided on for 
> stuff like clones?
>
> Toby
>
> Tad Miller <tmiller@gschq.com> wrote:
> Tad here,
>
> I have been reading these imails and have been trying to keep up with 
> the language.
>
> Is there a web site that can explain what the Number and Names of 
> these pumpkins mean?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tad / pack 819
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pumpkins DIGEST [p*@hort.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 1:01 AM
> To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
> Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
>
>
>
> pumpkins DIGEST Monday, July 5 2004 Volume 01 : Number 024
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: Pollination
> Pollination
> RE: Pollination
> Re: Pollination
> THE BABY IS GETTING BIGGER
> Re: Pollination
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:15:02 EDT
> From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
> Martin
> You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll 
> over on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to 
> make them into wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally. A few 
> years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel along with 
> a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not spent much 
> time
in
> the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you we 
> enjoyed looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he had. 
> I just like the variations of looks on the pumpkins. Bob Troy a few 
> years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over and saw the little 
> plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few weeks later Bob 
> called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I was in Shock it 
> went
from
> Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny 
> plant.. Go figure...
>
> OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of 
> pumpkins in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at? What is 
> your favorite for vine maintenance? Favorite for color ??
>
> Ok that should get us going !!!!
> OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 
> inches higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made 
> the stem stay right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I 
> like that !!
>
> So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem 
> straight down.. Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like my 
> 703* and Bob Troys 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right on 
> the ground! If you want
picks
> of what I mean I can send them to you...
> And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE 
> GREEN ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!
>
> I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home 
> patch on there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 
> Gregory.. You never know what is desirable! take care and I wish 
> everyone a Happy and
Healthy
> Fourth of July !!!
>
> Kevin Smith
> Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:28:00 -0800
> From: "kathie morgan"
> Subject: Pollination
>
> Kevin,
> Did you see the Future Farmer pumpkin grown last year, beautiful WW 
> shape? I asked the FF grower, and he said it rolled over on its stem, 
> pushing the stem into the ground. Right up to harvest, he said, he 
> didn't know that he had a sound pumpkin. He did, and what a figure! In 
> a previous post, you suggested pollinating everything on the main with 
> the same male so as to eliminate that one variable when culling time 
> begins. I never thought of the male as being so important that one 
> would base a culling decision on it. Can someone explain to me WHY 
> it's important, unless you're growing seeds to sell? Thanks! Kathie
> - --
>
>
> - ----------
>>From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
>>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>>Subject: Re: Pollination
>>Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2004, 11:15 AM
>>
>
>> Martin
>> You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll 
>> over on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to 
>> make them into wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally. A few 
>> years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel along 
>> with a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not spent 
>> much time
> in
>> the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you 
>> we enjoyed looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he 
>> had. I just like the variations of looks on the pumpkins. Bob Troy a 
>> few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over and saw the 
>> little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few weeks later 
>> Bob called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I was in 
>> Shock it went
> from
>> Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny 
>> plant.. Go figure...
>>
>> OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of 
>> pumpkins in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at? What is 
>> your favorite for vine maintenance? Favorite for color ??
>>
>> Ok that should get us going !!!!
>> OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 
>> inches higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it 
>> made the stem stay right on the ground I never did any vine 
>> maintenance.. I like that !!
>>
>> So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem 
>> straight down.. Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like 
>> my 703* and Bob Troys 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right 
>> on the ground! If you want
> picks
>> of what I mean I can send them to you...
>> And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE 
>> GREEN ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!
>>
>> I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home 
>> patch on there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 
>> Gregory.. You never know what is desirable! take care and I wish 
>> everyone a Happy and
> Healthy
>> Fourth of July !!!
>>
>> Kevin Smith
>> Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:33:40 -0400
> From: "Doug Adams"
> Subject: RE: Pollination
>
> Kevin,
> I would like to see those pictures.
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On 
> Behalf Of Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:15 PM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
>
> Martin
> You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll 
> over on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to 
> make them into wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally. A few 
> years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel along with 
> a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not spent much 
> time in the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will 
> tell you we enjoyed looking at those allot more then the regular 
> pumpkins he had. I just like the variations of looks on the pumpkins. 
> Bob Troy a few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over and 
> saw the little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few weeks 
> later Bob called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I was in 
> Shock it went from Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just 
> weeks on a tinny plant.. Go figure...
>
> OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of 
> pumpkins in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at? What is 
> your favorite for vine maintenance? Favorite for color ??
>
> Ok that should get us going !!!!
> OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 
> inches higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made 
> the stem stay right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I 
> like that !!
>
> So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem 
> straight down.. Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like my 
> 703* and Bob Troys 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right on 
> the ground! If you want picks of what I mean I can send them to you... 
> And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE 
> GREEN ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!
>
> I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home 
> patch on there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 
> Gregory.. You never know what is desirable! take care and I wish 
> everyone a Happy and Healthy Fourth of July !!!
>
> Kevin Smith
> Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:54:15 EDT
> From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
> Kathie
> You Wrote...
> In a previous post, you suggested pollinating everything on the main 
> with the same male so as to eliminate that one variable when culling 
> time begins. I never thought of the male as being so important that 
> one would base a culling decision on it. Can someone explain to me WHY 
> it's important, unless you're growing seeds to sell? Kathie come on 
> you know this game as well as I do !!! I plan all winter as to the 
> pumpkins I am growing to fit around my crosses. if we didn't care 
> about the pollination then we would let everything just go open 
> pollination !! if you had been planning a pollination for the whole 
> winter say you had a 935 Lloyd and you crossed one female with the 865 
> Mettler, one with the 703 Smith*
one
> with the 600.5 Gregory and one with the 895.5 Hester* just because you 
> didn't plan your pollination's well ahead of time. well now you have 
> to decide all the factors involved with choosing a pumpkin and OOPS 
> you don't want a chance to have a green offspring but it is growing 
> fastest so there goes the 895.5, OOPS but the 703* is green also and 
> it has best shape. now we are down between the 600.5 and the 865 ... 
> well the 865 will produce seeds that have a Higher potential for 
> people to grow if it turns out to be a big pumpkin since the 723 and 
> 845 are the same cross ... so I would want the 865 cross to remain 
> ..... see what you have created ..... yes, a Mess !!! so simplify and 
> enjoy what we are doing !!! Got it !!! take care and have a wonderful 
> season!
>
> Kevin Smith
> Squash Buckler !!! Still waiting !!!
> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:31:48 +0100
> From: "DAVID ASMAN"
> Subject: THE BABY IS GETTING BIGGER
>
> HI all from rainy UK (Southampton)
>
> Last monday I polinated a Reiss 534 x Colbert1043 thursday it was a 
> golf ball today it is a soccer ball and perfectly round.
>
> I have a Bhaskaran 756 which I hope to polinate with the Reiss, both 
> of these vines are really good and sturdy with leaves 25 inches wide 
> and the deapest green I have ever seen, if the weather gets warmer I 
> will have great
hopes.
>
> David Asman
> Pumpkin Limey
> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:06:39 -0800
> From: "kathie morgan"
> Subject: Re: Pollination
>
> Kevin,
> Say I grow the 935 Lloyd, and I pollinate the first blossom w/ the 703 
> Smith, the second blossom w/ the 1335 Daletas, the third w/ the 1105 
> Stucker and the 4th w/ the 943 Brock. If each of the sister blossoms 
> is allowed to live, very unlikely, so what if each of them is married 
> to a different guy? How likely is it that you'll be growing seeds from 
> ANY of the four? If you are selling your seeds (or planting only your 
> own seeds and no one else's), I can see how you'd want to control the 
> characteristics within each of the seeds. But if you are growing for 
> competition, and swapping seeds like most of us, why would you care 
> whether the offspring of the #1 above, the 935 Lloyd/703 Smith cross, 
> turned green? Still wondering. Soon to be Honorary Aunt Kathie, the 
> left handed wench
> - --
>
>
> - ----------
>>From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
>>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>>Subject: Re: Pollination
>>Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2004, 12:54 PM
>>
>
>> now you have to decide all
>> the factors involved with choosing a pumpkin and OOPS you don't want 
>> a chance to have a green offspring but it is growing fastest so there 
>> goes the 895.5, OOPS but the 703* is green also and it has best 
>> shape. now we are down between the 600.5 and the 865 ... well the 865 
>> will produce seeds that have a Higher potential for people to grow if 
>> it turns out to be a big pumpkin since the 723 and 845 are the same 
>> cross ... so I would want the 865 cross to remain
> End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:29:56 +1200
From: "Heather Cottam" <hcottam@nhnz.tv>
Subject: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted

Hello

I am writing from a TV Production company based in New Zealand and I am 
currently doing some research on a TV series for Animal Planet called The 
Most Extreme. As part of one of our programs we were wondering about the 
possibility of featuring some Giant Pumpkin/Vegetable growers based in the 
USA. I would love to talk to someone about this possibility and explain 
how they might fit as part of one of our programs. We are sending a film 
crew to the states in August. We would ideally like to work with people in 
the California, Georgia or New York areas. Anyone interested in being 
involved please get in contact with me ASAP. 
Look forward to hearing from you soon -
Heather Cottam 


NHNZ Ltd (Natural History New Zealand Ltd)
8 Dowling Street
Dunedin 9001
New Zealand
Ph: +64 3 4799799 ex.4936
Fax: +64 3 4799916
Email: hcottam@nhnz.tv

www.nhnz.tv
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:44:17 EDT
From: Keypopp3@aol.com
Subject: Re: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted

Heather,
I'm sure the PacficNorthwest Giant Pumpkin Club can help. We are a member of 
the Giant Pumpkin Commenwealth and have growers based all over the world. Here 
the clubs headquarters in the State of Washington there are numerous growers 
who have grown pumpkins in the 1000, 1100 and 1200 pound plus range 
consistentily. With several world record holders. Along with giant pumpkins they grow 
corn in excess of eighteen feet, giant beets,100 pound plus watermelon,4 pound 
plus tomatoes and numerous other vegtables.
If we can help please let us know. If you need a point of contact in 
California we can provide club members there also.
Sincerily,
Mike Popp
14275 Brownsville Highway NE
Poulsbo, Washington, 98370
360-697-2274
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:23:26 +1200
From: "Heather Cottam" <hcottam@nhnz.tv>
Subject: Re: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted

Hi Mike

Thanks for the quick response! Very much appreciated! 

Unfortunately Washington is slightly out of our way for this upcoming 
shoot. We would love to be able to travel all over the states but because 
of time and budget restrictions we are limited to just a few destinations. 


It would be great if you could put me in contact with one or more club 
members in California. The crew is flying into LAX and then driving up to 
San Francisco and Sacramento. Don't suppose that there would be any club 
members along that path? 
Anyone growing pumpkins, plus other giant vegetables would be a double 
bonus!

Looking forward to hearing from you further - 

Thanks very much!


Heather Cottam

NHNZ Ltd (Natural History New Zealand Ltd)
8 Dowling Street
Dunedin 9001
New Zealand
Ph: +64 3 4799799 ex.4936
Fax: +64 3 4799916

www.nhnz.tv






Keypopp3@aol.com
Sent by: owner-pumpkins@hort.net
07/07/2004 04:57 p.m.
Please respond to pumpkins

 
        To:     pumpkins@hort.net
        cc: 
        Subject:        Re: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted


Heather,
I'm sure the PacficNorthwest Giant Pumpkin Club can help. We are a member 
of 
the Giant Pumpkin Commenwealth and have growers based all over the world. 
Here 
the clubs headquarters in the State of Washington there are numerous 
growers 
who have grown pumpkins in the 1000, 1100 and 1200 pound plus range 
consistentily. With several world record holders. Along with giant 
pumpkins they grow 
corn in excess of eighteen feet, giant beets,100 pound plus watermelon,4 
pound 
plus tomatoes and numerous other vegtables.
If we can help please let us know. If you need a point of contact in 
California we can provide club members there also.
Sincerily,
Mike Popp
14275 Brownsville Highway NE
Poulsbo, Washington, 98370
360-697-2274
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:52:16 -0700
From: "Toby" <mr-sprout@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted

Heather,

I'm kinda jealous of the other growers since my year is turning out poorly (I don't know if I'll have anything to take to this years weigh-off), but I still have a suggestion:  reschedule your trip for the last half of September thru the first half of October.  You will be amazed at what you see, especially when you get to the weigh-offs. There is nothing like seeing 50-60 trucks lined up on a street at 7AM, all of them with their shock absorbers bottomed out because of the enormous pumpkin that barely fits in the bed.  

The weigh-off in Elk Grove, CA (minutes away from the state capitol), last year drew over 50,000 people.  It is quite an event.  I have some great photos I can email you if you like.  The Elk Grove weigh-off is the first weekend in October, as are many of the weigh-offs across the country.

Send me an email address, I'll send you some photos.  But I bet you get more impressive video if you schedule your trip later than August.  The pumpkins are big in August, but they're BIGGER in September.  :)

Toby

mr-sprout@sbcglobal.net


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Heather Cottam
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:30 PM
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
Subject: media request: giant pumpkin growers wanted

Hello

I am writing from a TV Production company based in New Zealand and I am 
currently doing some research on a TV series for Animal Planet called The 
Most Extreme. As part of one of our programs we were wondering about the

possibility of featuring some Giant Pumpkin/Vegetable growers based in the 
USA. I would love to talk to someone about this possibility and explain 
how they might fit as part of one of our programs. We are sending a film

crew to the states in August. We would ideally like to work with people in 
the California, Georgia or New York areas. Anyone interested in being 
involved please get in contact with me ASAP. 
Look forward to hearing from you soon -
Heather Cottam 


NHNZ Ltd (Natural History New Zealand Ltd)
8 Dowling Street
Dunedin 9001
New Zealand
Ph: +64 3 4799799 ex.4936
Fax: +64 3 4799916
Email: hcottam@nhnz.tv

www.nhnz.tv
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