Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #521
I have little yellow spots on the leaves of two of my pumpkins, they are
about the size on a pencil lead. We have had lots and lots and lots more
rain up here in Maine. Should I freak out yet. Is it true that treating
with fungicide too early damages the plant and slows growth? Looking
forward to some help. Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net>
To: <pumpkins-digest@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:01 AM
Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #521
>
> pumpkins DIGEST Thursday, June 13 2002 Volume 01 : Number
521
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: Bobier 700+
> Re: So. Cal. Growers
> AG PVP
> Early Vigor - An Impromtu Experiment
> Early Vigor - An Impromtu Experiment
> Kevin, you trict me
> PVP---the reality
> Re: PVP---the reality
> Re: PVP---the reality
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:37:41 -0700
> From: "Craig Johnson" <cjohnson@pacificacapitalgroup.com>
> Subject: Re: Bobier 700+
>
> When I was first getting started growing AGs I purchased a packet from P&P
> with the label "Bobier 700+". I
> e-mailed Ray Waterman at P&P but he could give me no detail about the
> genetic background of the seed (frustrating). Does anyone have experience
> growing this seed or the know the genetic parents? The plant is
performing
> well so far (just a bit smaller and less vigorious than the 1230 Daletas)
> but I hate to take up garden space for a plant that has limited potential.
> Craig
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Webster" <PumpkinDude@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: AG Chatter
>
>
> > The weather has been fairly warm in the
> > San Francisco bay area. Mid 80's to mid 90's
> > most of the past week. This warm trend is
> > expected to last thru Thursday or Friday. Most of
> > the patches that I have seen in this area seem to
> > be off to a good start.....although some growers are
> > having a little early leaf burn (but not too bad).
> >
> > George
> > Napa, CA
> >
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:41:12 -0700
> From: "Craig Johnson" <cjohnson@pacificacapitalgroup.com>
> Subject: Re: So. Cal. Growers
>
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> Keith: My experience is that if the yellow spots are small, few (3-5) =
> and in the body of the leaf, you have no worries. My Daletas has the =
> same thing, while my Bobier is clear green yet they receive the same =
> feeding. In your first year I suggest you be careful not to over use =
> chemical fertilizer. If you stick with fish emulsives, kelp extract and =
> compost tea you will be fine. Ever now and then you can mix in some =
> chemical fertilizer, but avoid the chemicals during fruit set. If you =
> have a small plot your greater problem may be getting enough sun =
> directly on the leaves. I have about 10 hours of direct sun a day this =
> time of year. I allow my vines to grow on the lattice of the back fence =
> to increase my solar exposure.
> Craig
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Keith Reh=20
> To: pumpkins@hort.net=20
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: So. Cal. Growers
>
>
> Bob and Craig
>
> Its nice to know that southern california all though maybe not the =
> big hitter area of choice does have some serious growers, as we do have =
> warm weather and long summers.
> Thanks for the great advice , this being my first year and not =
> fetching the great seeds will be a learing experience as it has all =
> ready. The hobby is fun , and even though i am in a track home area =
> with miminal area to work with i did put some real effert into my prep =
> or the soil and area im using and The dills sent me a half dozen seeds =
> from the 700-900 pound variety. Next year if i have modest success ill =
> attempt to gain some special seeds. One on my plants have some yellow =
> spots or blotches on a couple of the leaves.
> Do you guys know what thats from.........? =20
> Thanks again everyone out there in pumkin world
>
> Keith Reh southern california
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Craig Johnson=20
> To: pumpkins@hort.net=20
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: So. Cal. Growers
>
>
> Keith: I concur that mid-May is fine for planting in Southern =
> California. We don't have to contend with the short summer season and =
> can still get good growth in early September. The key will be to make =
> sure your soil temp. stays above 70 degrees which can be accomplished =
> early in the season with a raised bed or plastic mulch. Southern Cal. =
> can still have a wide range of micro-climates. I live In Pacific =
> Palisades and my greatest battle comes from my proximity to the ocean =
> which can cause mildew. Those in Sierra Madre or La Canada may have to =
> deal more with mid-day temps in excess of 95 degrees in late August and =
> September.=20
> Seed selection is the stuff of which dreams are made. If =
> you are fortunate enough to purchase a 723 Bobier seed, you have a =
> proven parent of 1,000 pounders. However, the more adventurous might =
> look for pumpkins with a 723 Bobier as an immediate parent or some of =
> the other proven performers. Though we don't live in "Giant Pumpkin =
> Alley" we do have the benefit of mild temperatures, fewer pests or golf =
> ball sized hail. Lets see who can break the 1,000 lb market from our =
> neck of the woods.
> Craig
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Robert Troy=20
> To: pumpkins@hort.net=20
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: So. Cal. Growers
>
>
> Keith,=20
> May 17 is just fine for planting in this area.=20
> There are a few of us down this way, Myself and Kevin Smith in =
> Torrance, Doug Parker in Sierra Madre, and Chris Gregory in La Canada. =20
> The closest weigh off's are Elk Grove on Oct. 5th, ( just south =
> of Sacramento, ) Half Moon Bay, Oct.13th, ( just S.W. of San Fransciso =
> ) and Borchard Farms Oct. 26th, down the coast from Half Moon Bay.=20
>
> Feel free to email me privately if you wish.=20
>
> Bob Troy=20
> Torrance, Ca.=20
> =20
> =20
>
> Keith Reh wrote:=20
>
> Hi my name is Keith I'm from southern california and don't =
> here much about many people from my area, but anyways i am a first year =
> grower in a rather confined area inspired by a local grower of a 650lb =
> pumkin i saw at a local nursery and then read about in the paper. Are =
> the names everybody has for their plants some sort of gene pedegry or =
> family line ? Or are these nicknames people give their plants. I got my =
> seeds from the dills in Canada and they just said the weight from which =
> they came from ..example 808lbs and 730lbs..?Also i believe i started my =
> plants alittle late planting on 5/17 having sprouts on 5/23 but my 803 =
> plant is growing at an unbelievable pase with 15" leaves and now just =
> vineing . I love all these e-mails i get to read and have bought and =
> read the second growers guide from the Dills prior to my first attempt =
> this year. Any advise I'd love to here from anybodyAlso wheres the =
> nearest weighoff if i ever get a big one to row....thanks Keith Reh =
> Orange County California=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Becky Steward
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Will Robins eat My Pumpkins...Please HELP!
> BRAVO!! Kevin-we can see it half full or half empty, right? =
> or we can read it or we can delete it..... Everybody have a great day & =
> don't forget to have FUN!!Rebecca StewardMartinez, CA4th yr. grower, =
> pers. best 300 (est) lbs. 2001=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Will Robins eat My Pumpkins...Please HELP!
> =20
>
> Jim=20
> So what is your personal best ???? Try and relax this is fun =
> and if you have a pumpkin question ask it we have all made allot of =
> friends here on the list and when we meet in person it is like seeing =
> long lost relatives. There is NO ONE on this list with less time to read =
> emails than me and I have been ticked off myself as to the amount of =
> jibber jabber but quickly realized it was MY PROBLEM with what I was =
> angry with and not my great friends on the list having a wonderful time =
> sharing there personal experiences and proving that they are just HUMAN. =
> Honest truth is the REAL MEAT of growing pumpkins can be found in Don =
> Langevins How to grow World Class Giant Pumpkins 1 and 2, (had to put in =
> a plug for my Buddy) and if you have been on this list for a while you =
> will realize we have exhausted almost all the concepts of growing, =
> Everything you could ever imagine about growing pumpkins is in the =
> archives and all new questions are just reminders, Take some time and =
> look at the! archives there is a wealth of knowledge there that you =
> literally could spend the rest of the year reading. I don't want to get =
> on everyone's bad side BUT RELAX we have created a beautiful community =
> here and I complement ALL my friends for adding to this wonderful list.. =
> Take care and Bash me privately !! I may check my messages next =
> month!!!!=20
>
> Kevin Smith=20
> Pumpkin Pirate... PB first year 758 Pumpkin / 703 Squash
>
> =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Keith: My experience is that if =
> the yellow=20
> spots are small, few (3-5) and in the body of the leaf, you =
> have no=20
> worries. My Daletas has the same thing, while my Bobier is =
> clear=20
> green yet they receive the same feeding. In your first year I =
> suggest you=20
> be careful not to over use chemical fertilizer. If you stick with =
> fish=20
> emulsives, kelp extract and compost tea you will be fine. Ever now =
> and=20
> then you can mix in some chemical fertilizer, but avoid the chemicals =
> during=20
> fruit set. If you have a small plot your greater problem may be =
> getting=20
> enough sun directly on the leaves. I have about 10 hours of direct =
> sun a=20
> day this time of year. I allow my vines to grow on the lattice of =
> the back=20
> fence to increase my solar exposure.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Craig</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Drehsocal@cox.net href=3D"r*@cox.net">Keith =
> Reh</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dpumpkins@hort.net=20
> href=3D"p*@hort.net">pumpkins@hort.net</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 11, 2002 =
> 1:37=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: So. Cal. =
> Growers</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =20
> Bob and Craig</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Its nice to know that southern =
> california=20
> all though maybe not the big hitter area of choice does have some =
> serious=20
> growers, as we do have warm weather and long =
> summers.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for the great advice , this =
> being my first=20
> year and not fetching the great seeds will be a learing experience as =
> it has=20
> all ready. The hobby is fun , and even though i am in a track =
> home area=20
> with miminal area to work with i did put some real effert into my prep =
> or the=20
> soil and area im using and The dills sent me a half dozen seeds from =
> the=20
> 700-900 pound variety. Next year if i have modest success ill attempt =
> to gain=20
> some special seeds. One on my plants have some =
> yellow spots=20
> or blotches on a couple of the leaves.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do you guys know what thats=20
> from.........? </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
> =
> size=3D2> &nbs=
> p; =20
> Thanks again everyone out there in pumkin world</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
> =
> size=3D2> &nbs=
> p;  =
> ; =20
> Keith Reh southern=20
> california</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dcjohnson@pacificacapitalgroup.com=20
> href=3D"c*@pacificacapitalgroup.com">Craig Johnson</A> =
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dpumpkins@hort.net=20
> href=3D"p*@hort.net">pumpkins@hort.net</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 11, 2002 =
> 10:47=20
> AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: So. Cal. =
> Growers</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Keith: I concur that mid-May =
> is fine for=20
> planting in Southern California. We don't have to contend with =
> the=20
> short summer season and can still get good growth in early =
> September. =20
> The key will be to make sure your soil temp. stays above 70 degrees =
> which=20
> can be accomplished early in the season with a raised bed =
> or plastic=20
> mulch. Southern Cal. can still have a wide range of =
> micro-climates. I=20
> live In Pacific Palisades and my greatest battle comes from my =
> proximity to=20
> the ocean which can cause mildew. Those in Sierra Madre or La =
> Canada=20
> may have to deal more with mid-day temps in excess of 95 =
> degrees=20
> in late August and September. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> Seed =
> selection=20
> is the stuff of which dreams are made. If you are fortunate =
> enough to=20
> purchase a 723 Bobier seed, you have a proven parent of 1,000=20
> pounders. However, the more adventurous might look =
> for=20
> pumpkins with a 723 Bobier as an immediate parent or some of the =
> other=20
> proven performers. Though we don't live in "Giant Pumpkin =
> Alley" we do=20
> have the benefit of mild temperatures, fewer pests or golf ball =
> sized=20
> hail. Lets see who can break the 1,000 lb market from our =
> neck of=20
> the woods.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Craig</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
> </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Drptroy@earthlink.net =
> href=3D"r*@earthlink.net">Robert=20
> Troy</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dpumpkins@hort.net=20
> href=3D"p*@hort.net">pumpkins@hort.net</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 11, =
> 2002 12:00=20
> AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: So. Cal. =
> Growers</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>Keith,=20
> <P>May 17 is just fine for planting in this area. <BR>There are a =
> few of=20
> us down this way, Myself and Kevin Smith in Torrance, Doug =
> Parker in=20
> Sierra Madre, and Chris Gregory in La Canada. <BR>The =
> closest weigh=20
> off's are Elk Grove on Oct. 5th, ( just south of Sacramento, =
> ) =20
> Half Moon Bay, Oct.13th, ( just S.W. of San Fransciso ) and =
> Borchard=20
> Farms Oct. 26th, down the coast from Half Moon Bay.=20
> <P>Feel free to email me privately if you wish.=20
> <P>Bob Troy <BR>Torrance, Ca. <BR> <BR> =20
> <P>Keith Reh wrote:=20
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">
> <STYLE></STYLE>
> <FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1> Hi my name is=20
> Keith I'm from southern california and don't =
> here much=20
> about many people from my area, but anyways i am a first year =
> grower in=20
> a rather confined area inspired by a local grower of a 650lb =
> pumkin i=20
> saw at a local nursery and then read about in the paper. =
> Are the=20
> names everybody has for their plants some sort of gene pedegry =
> or family=20
> line ? Or are these nicknames people give their plants. I got my =
> seeds=20
> from the dills in Canada and they just said the weight from =
> which they=20
> came from ..example 808lbs and 730lbs..?</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
> face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>Also i believe i started my plants =
> alittle late=20
> planting on 5/17 having sprouts on 5/23 but my 803 plant is =
> growing at=20
> an unbelievable pase with 15" leaves and now just vineing =
> . I love=20
> all these e-mails i get to read and have bought and read the =
> second=20
> growers guide from the Dills prior to my first attempt this=20
> year. Any advise I'd love to here from=20
> anybody</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>Also =
> wheres the=20
> nearest weighoff if i ever get a big one to=20
> row....thanks Keith =
> Reh Orange=20
> County California</FONT></FONT>=20
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
> 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message =
> - -----</DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Drebkin@pcmagic.net =
> href=3D"r*@pcmagic.net">Becky=20
> Steward</A></DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dpumpkins@hort.net=20
> href=3D"p*@hort.net">pumpkins@hort.net</A></DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 09, =
> 2002 10:25=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Will =
> Robins eat My=20
> Pumpkins...Please HELP!</DIV> <FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
> size=3D-1>BRAVO!! Kevin-we can see it half full or half empty, =
> right? or=20
> we can read it or we can delete it..... =
> <B><U>Everybody</U></B> have a=20
> great day & don't forget to have=20
> <B><U>FUN!!</U></B></FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
> size=3D-1>Rebecca Steward</FONT></FONT><FONT =
> face=3DArial><FONT=20
> size=3D-1>Martinez, CA</FONT></FONT><FONT =
> face=3DArial><FONT=20
> size=3D-1>4th yr. grower, pers. best 300 (est) lbs. =
> 2001</FONT></FONT>=20
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
> 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message =
> - -----</DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3DPumpkinpirate1@aol.com=20
> =
> href=3D"P*@aol.com">Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com</A></DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dpumpkins@hort.net=20
> =
> href=3D"p*@hort.net">pumpkins@hort.net</A></DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June =
> 08, 2002=20
> 11:52 AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Will =
> Robins eat My=20
> Pumpkins...Please HELP!</DIV> =20
> <P><BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D-1> =20
> Jim</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
> size=3D-1>So=20
> what is your personal best ???? Try and relax this is fun =
> and if you=20
> have a pumpkin question ask it we have all made allot of =
> friends=20
> here on the list and when we meet in person it is like =
> seeing long=20
> lost relatives. There is NO ONE on this list with less time =
> to read=20
> emails than me and I have been ticked off myself as to the =
> amount of=20
> jibber jabber but quickly realized it was MY PROBLEM with =
> what I was=20
> angry with and not my great friends on the list having a =
> wonderful=20
> time sharing there personal experiences and proving that =
> they are=20
> just HUMAN. Honest truth is the REAL MEAT of growing =
> pumpkins can be=20
> found in Don Langevins How to grow World Class Giant =
> Pumpkins 1 and=20
> 2, (had to put in a plug for my Buddy) and if you have been =
> on this=20
> list for a while you will realize we have exhausted almost =
> all the=20
> concepts of growing, Everything you could ever imagine about =
> growing=20
> pumpkins is in the archives and all new questions are just=20
> reminders, Take some time and look at the! archives there is =
> a=20
> wealth of knowledge there that you literally could spend the =
> rest of=20
> the year reading. I don't want to get on everyone's bad side =
> BUT=20
> RELAX we have created a beautiful community here and I =
> complement=20
> ALL my friends for adding to this wonderful list.. Take care =
> and=20
> Bash me privately !! I may check my messages next=20
> month!!!!</FONT></FONT>=20
> <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D-1> Kevin =
>
> Smith</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT=20
> size=3D-1>Pumpkin Pirate... PB first year 758 Pumpkin / 703=20
> =
> Squash</FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>----------=
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:59:30 -0400
> From: "Mike Nepereny" <a_g_g_c@hotmail.com>
> Subject: AG PVP
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:10:16 -0700
> From: vince <anaid_tecuod@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Early Vigor - An Impromtu Experiment
>
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> <td><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">Audrey (my 995
Carter
> plant) surprised me this morning. Because there - sitting
about
> 7 feet out on the main vine - was a perfect miniature female bud.
> My other plants are barely toddlers, just starting to vine, and Audrey's
> entering puberty already.</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">These plants never
> cease to amaze me, but the vigor and sass Audrey shows is completely off
> the charts.</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">So, I'm trying an
> experiment of sorts. I'm ranking my plants based on early vigor and
> how heavily the vines push roots to try to predict which will throw the
> biggest pumpkin. (god willing)</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">I took pictures of
> all my plants at four weeks from germination and ranked them at the
following
> web site: <a
href="http://home.pacbell.net/diana_do/geneva/gecam.htm";>http://home.pacbell
.net/diana_do/vigor.htm</a></font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">It is interesting
> to see just how differently these four plants are growing in an
environment
> that is for all purposes almost identical. (Only minor differences
> in the two patches)</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">Of course, Audrey
> is ranked number one, with Geneva Electric (922 Emmons) following close
> behind. In about two months, it should start to become clearer if
> early vigor really has a connection with the size of the pumpkin the plant
> produces.</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">vince</font></font>
> <br><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">best 831,
2001</font></font>
> <br><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">zone 9, the pumpkin
> zone</font></font></td>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:12:45 -0700
> From: vince <anaid_tecuod@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Early Vigor - An Impromtu Experiment
>
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> <td><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">Audrey (my 995
Carter
> plant) surprised me this morning. Because there - sitting
about
> 7 feet out on the main vine - was a perfect miniature female bud.
> My other plants are barely toddlers, just starting to vine, and Audrey's
> entering puberty already.</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">These plants never
> cease to amaze me, but the vigor and sass Audrey shows is completely off
> the charts.</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">So, I'm trying an
> experiment of sorts. I'm ranking my plants based on early vigor and
> how heavily the vines push roots to try to predict which will throw the
> biggest pumpkin. (god willing)</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">I took pictures of
> all my plants at four weeks from germination and ranked them at the
following
> web site: <a
href="http://home.pacbell.net/diana_do/vigor.htm";>http://home.pacbell.net/di
ana_do/vigor.htm</a></font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">It is interesting
> to see just how differently these four plants are growing in an
environment
> that is for all purposes almost identical. (Only minor differences
> in the two patches)</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">Of course, Audrey
> is ranked number one, with Geneva Electric (922 Emmons) following close
> behind. In about two months, it should start to become clearer if
> early vigor really has a connection with the size of the pumpkin the plant
> produces.</font></font>
> <p><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">vince</font></font>
> <br><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">best 831,
2001</font></font>
> <br><font face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="#FF9900">zone 9, the pumpkin
> zone</font></font></td>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:36:14 -0800
> From: Kathie Morgan <fishrap@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Kevin, you trict me
>
> Oops, sorry guys, that was private, please don't read it, just delete
> it. Thanks! Kathie
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:19:09 -0400
> From: "Jonathan Jaussi" <JLJaussi@copper.net>
> Subject: PVP---the reality
>
> I have yet to see the holder of this certificate ever enforce the
> legal right to limit sale and propegation of AG's by people other
> than himself. The law may give him the right, but he has chosen
> not to exercize the right. Anybody with more knowledge care to
> correct me?
>
> Jonathan Jaussi
> RI, USA
>
>
>
> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/showpvp.pl?8500204
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:15:13 -0300
> From: Bill VanIderstine <harrow.fur@pei.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: PVP---the reality
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> I think; most pumpkin growers,being the good people they are; have
respected
> Mr. Dill's right's & there might only be a handful of bad apples in the
> barrel; not
> worth bothering with. That alone say's, what a great bunch of people enjoy
this
> hobby he has given us.
>
>
> At 09:19 PM 6/12/02, you wrote:
> >I have yet to see the holder of this certificate ever enforce the
> >legal right to limit sale and propegation of AG's by people other
> >than himself. The law may give him the right, but he has chosen
> >not to exercize the right. Anybody with more knowledge care to
> >correct me?
> >
> >Jonathan Jaussi
> >RI, USA
> >
> >
> >
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> <font size=3>I think; most pumpkin growers,being the good people they
> are; <u>have respected<br>
> Mr. Dill's right's</u> & there might only be a handful of bad apples
> in the barrel; not <br>
> worth bothering with. That alone say's, what a great bunch of people
> enjoy this<br>
> hobby he has given us.<br><br>
> <br>
> At 09:19 PM 6/12/02, you wrote:<br>
> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>I have yet to see the holder of
> this certificate ever enforce the <br>
> legal right to limit sale and propegation of AG's by people other <br>
> than himself. The law may give him the right, but he has chosen
> <br>
> not to exercize the right. Anybody with more knowledge care to
> <br>
> correct me?<br><br>
> Jonathan Jaussi<br>
> RI, USA<br><br>
> <br><br>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:51:41 -0400
> From: <mwronski81@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: PVP---the reality
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> ditto!=20
>
> This is game of fun .... not for money. =20
>
> dw
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Bill VanIderstine=20
> To: pumpkins@hort.net=20
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: PVP---the reality
>
>
> I think; most pumpkin growers,being the good people they are; have =
> respected
> Mr. Dill's right's & there might only be a handful of bad apples in =
> the barrel; not=20
> worth bothering with. That alone say's, what a great bunch of people =
> enjoy this
> hobby he has given us.
>
>
> At 09:19 PM 6/12/02, you wrote:
>
> I have yet to see the holder of this certificate ever enforce the=20
> legal right to limit sale and propegation of AG's by people other=20
> than himself. The law may give him the right, but he has chosen=20
> not to exercize the right. Anybody with more knowledge care to=20
> correct me?
>
> Jonathan Jaussi
> RI, USA
>
>
>
> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/showpvp.pl?8500204
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is game of fun .... not for =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>dw</FONT></DIV>
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> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dharrow.fur@pei.sympatico.ca=20
> href=3D"h*@pei.sympatico.ca">Bill VanIderstine</A> =
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dpumpkins@hort.net=20
> href=3D"p*@hort.net">pumpkins@hort.net</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2002 =
> 8:15=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PVP---the =
> reality</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D3>I think; most pumpkin growers,being the =
> good=20
> people they are; <U>have respected<BR>Mr. Dill's right's</U> & =
> there might=20
> only be a handful of bad apples in the barrel; not <BR>worth bothering =
> with.=20
> That alone say's, what a great bunch of people enjoy this<BR>hobby he =
> has=20
> given us.<BR><BR><BR>At 09:19 PM 6/12/02, you wrote:<BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">I have yet to see the =
> holder of=20
> this certificate ever enforce the <BR>legal right to limit sale and=20
> propegation of AG's by people other <BR>than himself. The law =
> may give=20
> him the right, but he has chosen <BR>not to exercize the =
> right. =20
> Anybody with more knowledge care to <BR>correct me?<BR><BR>Jonathan=20
> Jaussi<BR>RI, USA<BR><BR><BR><BR><A=20
> =
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