Don't forget about the Pumpkin mailing list archive and the search engine to find those repeated questions and answers. Archive: http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins Search engine http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins/search.cgi Give it a try........ -- Duncan McAlpine, Federal Way, WA m*@eskimo.com Why buy plants when you can grow them yourself.....? http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/ http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/pumkin.html