Have you used the mailing list archive? Did you use the search engine for you favorite key words? http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins/search.cgi -- Duncan McAlpine, Federal Way, WA m*@eskimo.com Why buy plants when you can grow them yourself.....? http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/secert.html http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/pumkin.html