Re: MOMBERT 567.5 SEED AVAILABLE--UPDATE
well said. thank you. lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <jpritchard@mindspring.com>
To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: MOMBERT 567.5 SEED AVAILABLE--UPDATE
> I was very surprised at that list members apologized, and that some
> defended the sale of the Mombert 567.5 seed. When it comes to an issue
like
> this, there is a big difference between us (the growers), and guys like
> Howard Dill and Ray Waterman. They are in business to sell seed, and if
it
> was not for breeders such as these with their past efforts, we would not
> have growers producing 1000+ lb. pumpkins.
> But it seems to me that growers have an informal network that allows
all
> growers (even "newbies" such as myself) to grow pumpkins that have known
> genetic potential because there is a traceable family tree. This
> information is not usually available from the seed sellers. By having
this
> secondary market it takes what Dill and Waterman have been doing one step
> further. It multiplies the effort toward a new world record because seeds
> are given freely to many growers. Every grower may have the next
potential
> world record in his or her garden from seed that was given by a fellow
> grower. Do you think that the 1000 lb. barrier would have been broken so
> quickly if Kirk Mombert did not give away a substantial number of 567.5
> seeds?
> By selling seeds for anything other than fundraisers, it opens the
> Pandora's Box of "authentication". There would be many of FAKE seeds
being
> sold. Once this happens, it would be almost impossible to selectively
grow
> based on background and genetics. It would most certainly halt the
progress
> to the 1500 lb. pumpkin, and wipe out the efforts of each individual
pumpkin
> grower who has carefully grown and cross pollinated to produce the best
> possible genetic traits for a new world record.
> I am a firm believer in free market, but this sport is not based on
> supply and demand. The bottom line is integrity. When someone has given
a
> seed to grow, putting it up for the highest bid is unconscionable. I
> received seeds freely this year from some of the best growers, not to
> mention nice guys, in the country. I received seeds from Wayne Hackney,
Kirk
> Mombert, Joel Holland, Alan Reynolds, and Nic Welty. None ever asked for
a
> dime, and it only cost me postage for the seeds. This is my first year,
and
> they sent seeds because they want the sport to expand and attract as many
> growers as possible. Their goal is personal satisfaction, not personal
> gain.
> I am of the opinion that the best way to maintain integrity in any
> organization is to demand high ethical standards from all that you
contact,
> whether it is business or personal or growing pumpkins. Today, people
don't
> want to demand the best from those around them. They think it is too
> judgmental. If present growers do not let it be known that selling seeds
in
> a secondary market will be detrimental to the sport, we will all be to
> blame.
> Just think about how many seeds are in a pumpkin. A single grower
could
> never grow all of them unless he or she had a large farm. So what do you
> do? Sell them, or give them away. You decide. But before making the
> decision, ask yourself why you stared growing pumpkins in the first place.
> I am growing a "big big pumpkin" (what my son calls AG's) for my 3 year
old
> son because he is fascinated by these big orange blobs and I enjoy growing
> them. It's your call.
> Just some thoughts, take them for what they are worth.
>
> John J. Pritchard
> Columbus, OH
> jpritchard@mindspring.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Pumpkin Master <thepumpkinmaster@hotmail.com>
> To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: MOMBERT 567.5 SEED AVAILABLE--UPDATE
>
>
> >I would second that John. Who gave me the 747 wycoff seeds. I would
like
> >to send them money for postage but lost the addrress
> >
> >
> >>From: jpritchard@mindspring.com
> >>Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
> >>To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
> >>Subject: Re: MOMBERT 567.5 SEED AVAILABLE--UPDATE
> >>Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:53:33 -0400
> >>
> >> I have tried to blow this off, but this guy just keeps coming back.
> I
> >>thought most good growers gave away their seeds, or donated them to
clubs
> >>for some type of non-profit fundraiser. When I started asking for seeds
> >>last winter, I had more offers than I could accept. Many thanks to all
> the
> >>list members.
> >>
> >> Considering Memorial Day was just a week ago, I have a wonderful
> idea.
> >>I think Mike Turner should give that 567.5 seed to a U.S. or Canada WWII
> >>vet
> >>who is growing pumpkins. The United States has bailed England out of
two
> >>World Wars and without these guys, he would be growing Atlantic GERMAN
> >>Pumpkins!!
> >>
> >>John J. Pritchard
> >>Columbus, OH
> >>jpritchard@mindspring.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Pumkinguy@aol.com <Pumkinguy@aol.com>
> >>To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
> >>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:57 PM
> >>Subject: Re: MOMBERT 567.5 SEED AVAILABLE--UPDATE
> >>
> >>
> >> >In a message dated 6/8/99 8:37:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>SteveS012@aol.com
> >> >writes:
> >> >
> >> ><< > wishes to raise this offer please submit offers to me privately
at
> >> > > MTu4639875@aol.com.
> >> > >
> >> > > BEST WISHES
> >> > > MIKE TURNER
> >> > > ENGLAND
> >> > > UK
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > $120? ....DANG. Is that legal? I just give my seeds away, and always
> >>will!
> >> > >>
> >> >Supply and demand! Nobody is holding a gun to anyones head. Let the
free
> >>and
> >> >open market prevail. I think it is nice that you give away your seeds.
> If
> >> >somebody has a rare one and wants to make a few bucks....I have no
> >>problem
> >> >with it. All I can say is I hope it
> >> >germinates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are getting
> >>old
> >>:)
> >> > pumkinguy
> >> >
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