New Zealand Winter report


It really feels like summer with the temp in the high teens low twenties.

The patch is bare and I sowed wild oats (Teresa did not seem to mind at all)
and now looking forward to the spring seed sowing at half past September.

Our garden is in the Rhododendron Festival this year so we will get between
2 - 4000 people through in ten days. I aim to grow 200 pumpkin plants and
put out 20 a day for the ten days so hopefully we will get 500 registered
growers next season with the 300 we normally get collecting seeds from the
Service Centres..

All is ticking over here but as I said quite warm, we had the second warmest
May since records began. It has also been raining a bit so the grass is
growing very fast indeed.

Our pumpkin festival is all set for next April and hopefully we will have
the Topp Twins who are national recognised, singers, comediennes and general
entertainers, all depends on sponsorship etc.

El Presidento in South Island is forming a committee to get a better
festival going rather than just a weigh-off.

We have infiltrated the Aussie ranks with some of Dolly's seed so we have
hedged our bets in that direction.

I enjoy your postings and I am now getting twitchy fingers and really
looking forward to the promise of spring.

Toodle Pip

John S in New Zealand

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	Sent:	Friday, 11 June 1999 20:01
	To:	pumpkins-digest@mallorn.com
	Subject:	pumpkins DIGEST V1 #753


	pumpkins DIGEST         Friday, June 11 1999         Volume 01 :
Number 753



	In this issue:

	        Re: Cloning top lines. 
	        Re: GEERTS 946.5 SEEDS
	        Re: Ant question
	        Re: GEERTS 946.5 SEEDS
	        Pesticides Again Linked To Cancer
	        Good News from Northern Ireland
	        RE: Public Apology
	        RE: 946.5 Geerts seeds- ARE THERE ANY LEFT?!
	        Now for the next round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	        Now for the Next Round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: Now for the Next Round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	        Burke 1092 Update
	        Re: Mike Turner
	        Re: Burke 1092 Update
	        flat vines
	        Re: flat vines
	        EKM #65 SUNFLOWERS
	        sunflowers 
	        Re: flat vines
	        Re: Mike Turner
	        Re: Cloning top lines. 
	        Gold Flies and plants Cuc. beetles prefer
	        Re: flat vines
	        Re: Mike Turner
	        Re: flat vines
	        Re:  Pumpkins possibly toxic???
	        Re: Genetics

	
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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:41:46 -0400
	From: "Glenn Needham" <sven@magma.ca>
	Subject: Re: Cloning top lines. 

	I doubt that you would ever get a cutting from a AG to root anyway.
	I believe it is because of the high moisture content of the plant.

	Glenn

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	From: SteveS012@aol.com <SteveS012@aol.com>
	To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
	Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 6:29 PM
	Subject: Re: Cloning top lines.


	>In a message dated 6/10/99 1:38:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
	>indbio@disknet.com writes:
	>
	>>  More practical would be to clone the orginal plant. If you grow
an
	>>  outstanding fruit this year, why not attempt to keep a cutting
over
	>>  winter by rooting it in a pot?
	>
	>I am glad someone finally is taking this seriously! The only
problem wiht
	>cuttings is that it wouldn't be a true full clone, since it would
just be a
	>vine of the actualy plant, even though it can survive
independanlty. A full
	>cloning of the embryo would be the ideal way to run some REAL
experiments.
	>Like I said, in one season we could learn more about the AG
genetics than
	we
	>could in 10-20 years any other way.
	>
	
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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:47:11 EDT
	From: SteveS012@aol.com
	Subject: Re: GEERTS 946.5 SEEDS

	Mike, if you have these seeds, why does it sound like a hint of
sarcasm (i.e. 
	"Gonna have a seed roast!") after you mention what all you have? I
don't get 
	it. All some people were saying before is that charging $120 for a
seed that 
	was given to you for free, for your own personal gain was a bit
unethical, 
	unless it was going for charity or to a non-profit pumpkin growing 
	association. (And that would be very against PVP, in the USA
anyway). It 
	sounded like that is what you were doing. I really thught that all
was 
	cleared up and everyone came to an understanding. Anyway, the last
note I 
	posted was in your favor!
	I would really like to get a 946.5 Geerts if you have one to spare.
If not, I 
	hope you at least keep it to grow for yourself if you ever get some
land 
	again, or give it to someone else who can grow and cross it to help
make the 
	next generation of world record winners.

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:00:32 -0500
	From: Greg Schraiber <Greg@schraiber.com>
	Subject: Re: Ant question

	Shaun,
	Well said. The world is now facing serious threats from resistant
	microorganisms
	as a direct result of contra-indicated use of antibiotics. Farmers,
	gardeners and 
	yes, we, as AG growers must use the insecticides at our disposal
with
	respect and responsibility so as not create these same types of
	resistance. 
	Regardless of where one might stand on the organic verses non
organic
	growing techniques, the truth of the matter is that the use of tools
	effects everyone, sometimes in very subtle ways.

	Greg Schraiber



	>
	> That might be a worthwhile tradeoff for me.  Anyway, my point
wasn't
	> "don't use insecticides", my point is "don't misuse insecticides."
If you
	> or anyone else don't apply them according to the directions then
you will
	> end up poisoning yourself (which is your prerogative) and creating
	> resistant pests (which is not).  There is a non-native honeybee
mite
	> causing heavy losses to the beekeeping industry because of a few
	> beekeepers that abused fluvalinate, the only EPA-registered
miticide for
	> the mite.  They found out that instead of using the registered
	> formulation, Apistan, in strips, they could get higher
concentrations in a
	> pesticide called Maverick which was registered for other uses.
Using
	> Maverick controlled the mites well for a while but the high dosage
led to
	> a fluvalinate resistant mite which has now migrated to several
states, led
	> to quarantines, and has been very difficult and expensive to
control.  If
	> you or anyone else misuses Sevin or other pesticides on pumpkins,
in the
	> same way you are selecting for pesticide resistance in bugs.  Due
to the
	> short life cycle of insects resistance can arise quite rapidly.
So unless
	> you want resistant squash vine borers and other nasty pests that
can't be
	> controlled, you need to carefully follow the directions on the
label and
	> be judicious with your application of pesticides, not just apply
them
	> whenever you see ants or other bugs that aren't causing an
uncontrollable
	> problem.
	> 
	> Shaun
	>

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:08:29 EDT
	From: SteveS012@aol.com
	Subject: Re: GEERTS 946.5 SEEDS

	In a message dated 6/10/99 6:38:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
	pumpkins@tconl.com writes:

	> Really!  Everybody take a reality check
	>      and lighten-up a bit.............
	>  This is the kind of PumpkinBS that makes
	>     staying on the list less appealing.  If I were
	>     Mike, I would do something even more
	>     inappropriate with my seed!
	>  Terry "The AMAIZING" PumpkinMan
	>  

	Speaking of doing something inappropriate with seeds....I think I
hold the 
	record. 
	At least that's what my doctor tells me.

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:56:08 -0700
	From: Patrick Olaris <polaris@WOLFENET.com>
	Subject: Pesticides Again Linked To Cancer

	While we're on the topic of pesticides, I thought I would forward on
this
	tidbit since I know a lot of you are heavy users of Captan and other
	fungicides both when germinating seeds and when treating fruit
injuries:

	People exposed to fungicides may be more than 3 times as likely to
get 
	non-Hodgkin lymphoma, one of the most rapidly increasing forms of
cancer
	in Western countries, according to a study in the journal Cancer
(Vol. 85,
	No. 6, 1999, pp. 1353-1360).  The study's authors also call for
further
	research on two herbicides, glyphosate (Roundup) and phenoxyacetic
acid
	MCPA.

	Shaun

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:43:15 +0100
	From: Jane Sealy <mballet@connect.ie>
	Subject: Good News from Northern Ireland

	Hello to all, the good news is that our weather is at last warming
up a
	little and my poor pumpkins are no longer shivering but growing. The
better
	news is that my sunflowers are over 3 feet tall and growing daily.
Is there
	an overseas section for the sunflower competetion? Good growing to
all and
	thank you for the good advice on growing, Jane

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:03:46 -0700
	From: Tom Bahlo <tom.bahlo@personic.com>
	Subject: RE: Public Apology

	When one thinks about the hours of hard work, tilling, moving
wheelbarrows
	full of pungent materials, weeding, trenching, and the high level of
	activity required just to get the AG big. Then of course moving them
hither
	and yon -  to the weigh-off, then carving and displaying a 500 or
600 lbs
	pumpkin my vote would be sport. Heck you could probably call pumpkin
moving
	itself a sport. Just think having the worlds strongest men
competition move
	a 900'er and time them 25 yards accross a rough field and hoist it
into a
	truck. 

	However if you are wealthy enough to get to grow them yet leave all
the
	"gardening" stuff to someone else it is a hobby. It must be nice to
come
	home get a cool one and look at your plant's progress and do nothing
but
	enjoy watching it grow bigger and bigger.

	Unfortuently it does not happen for me that way, to get to watch it
grow big
	I gotta put the hours in.

	my 2 cents - if you do the work it is a sport

	- -tom

	> -----Original Message-----
	> From:	The Pumpkin Master [SMTP:thepumpkinmaster@hotmail.com]
	> Sent:	Thursday, June 10, 1999 12:50 PM
	> To:	pumpkins@mallorn.com
	> Subject:	Re: Public Apology
	> 
	> I put a lot more energy into growing my pumpkin than does a chess
player
	> and 
	> they call that a sport so I say it is a sport :)
	> 
	> 
	> >From: "Jim DuBois" <jimdubois@capeonramp.com>
	> >Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
	> >To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
	> >Subject: Re: Public Apology
	> >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:11:43 -0400
	> >
	> >All the traffic on the site about seed selling is really
depressing and
	> has
	> >NOTHING to do with growing pumpkins; which is a HOBBY, NOT A
SPORT.
	> >Jim DuBois
	> >-----Original Message-----
	> >From: The Pumpkin Master <thepumpkinmaster@hotmail.com>
	> >To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
	> >Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 8:48 PM
	> >Subject: Public Apology
	> >
	> >
	> > >   If I offended anyone especially Mike Turner I am sorry, but
I see
	> that
	> > >this sport could have been hurt.  This is one of the best
sports I have
	> >ever
	> > >been involved in and the ppl are great.  I just don't want to
see it go
	> 
	> >to
	> > >everyone being competitive insofar as selling seeds and not
offering
	> >advice.
	> > >  I saw a threat to the system and I may have over reacted.  I
hope
	> there
	> > >are no hard feelings and I am glad to hear you are sending the
seed
	> back,
	> > >although it seems a better idea to donate it since I am sure
the person
	> 
	> >who
	> > >gave it away saved enough for himself.
	> > >
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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:21:03 -0400
	From: Bob Marcellus <marcellus@cybertap.com>
	Subject: RE: 946.5 Geerts seeds- ARE THERE ANY LEFT?!

	Yes

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:45:24 -0400
	From: Bob Marcellus <marcellus@cybertap.com>
	Subject: Now for the next round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:02:24 -0400
	From: Bob Marcellus <marcellus@cybertap.com>
	Subject: Now for the Next Round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Looks like I sent an empty message a minute ago.

	Now for the next round. Sabers Vs the Stars-------------maybe.

	2 cents worth ----- its a free market---------------- no one wanted
the 
	946.5 @ $300 that I offered at the start of the
season------------------of 
	course not. Also no one wanted the pumpkin boat I offered complete
with 
	motor last fall.------ of course not.
	If you want my Geerts 946.5 its $500 US nothing less.
	POV means nothing outside the US so if Mike or I want a certain
price ---- 
	take it or leave it..................... End of
story...................... 
	Enough of this whining...............

	Let me do it................. I rotted Two Geerts 946.5  this 
	year--------Somebody else want to rot the next one.

	Canadian Boating Champion -----200 yds.

	Bob.

	PS Isn't it interesting to see the comments and the discussion when
you 
	feel you don't have a contender at this time of the year.

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:08:55 EDT
	From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
	Subject: Re: Now for the Next Round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Don't hold back-Bob!!! Your a rip!............POV huh,does O'Veltman
know you 
	talk about him like that?!!.......Glenn

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:19:22 -0500
	From: Greg Schraiber <Greg@schraiber.com>
	Subject: Burke 1092 Update

	Friends,

	A quick update on my Burke 1092.
	Well it seems to have happened to me also. The dreaded flat vine.
	The weather has warmed nicely here these past two weeks and has
spawned
	a growth spurt that has helped to calm my nerves. I had never seen a
	'flat' vine 
	before and this list has saved the day. About ten days ago I noticed
the
	odd
	gnarly shape of the newly forming vine. About that time reports of
	others
	with 'flat' vines appeared on the list. Members were quick to point
out
	that
	these 'flat' vines were actually two vines stuck together (like
siamese
	twins).
	So I reasoned if that were true there must be two growing tips. So I
	very carefully
	separated the leaves and sure enough two very close together but
	completely 
	separate growing tips revealed themselves. A crazy cluster of leaves
	swelling up
	from the base of the plant gives it the appearance of small bush. A
day
	later, 
	I carefully cut off one of the growing tips. Eight days have past
and
	the leaves
	have doubled in size and count and the main vine is now what looks
to me
	to be a 
	normal vine and has grown 36 inches. The plant has produced a
secondary
	about 15 inches. Overall The 'flat' part of the vine is only about 3
	inches long but is 
	roughly 2 inches across and strangely twisted. I pass this along for
	informational
	purposes only. Only time will tell, but I'm feeling alot better
about it
	today
	than weeks past. Thanks for the advice.

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	Machesney Park, IL

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:20:35 -0400
	From: Lyle Rockwell <rocky.r@cyber-quest.com>
	Subject: Re: Mike Turner

	Seargant Major Rocky Rockwell reporting for duty Captain Hackney!!!
I am rounding
	up the troops for bivouac as we speak SIR!!!! SVB'rs will not
conquer any AG's
	while I'm on duty SIR!!!!!!! We have several batallions armed and
ready with
	Liquid Sevin, we have the medical units on standby to preform
emergency
	extraction procedures in case any of the little worms infiltrate our
defenses. We
	also have lots of cold Coors Light on hand for the pain and
suffering, as the men
	are aware that this season is going to be long, it is going to be
sad at times,
	but in the end, the SQB patrol will prevail!!!
	    So if it is okay withyou SIR, my men would like a three dya pass
before the
	next two month stay in the AG jungle on patrol...

	Pumkinguy@aol.com wrote:

	> Group,
	>     I think everybody is getting too revved up over this. Selling
a seed for
	> a hundred bucks is not a sign of impending doom in the pumpkin
World. Tony
	> Ciliberto and I were talking on the phone last week and were
talking about
	> how in the early days of giant pumpkins, there were just a few hot
pumpkin
	> seeds floating around. Now there are so many good seed
possibilities (
	> literally hundreds of them) ...it would be impossible to try them
all. As
	> more people join the pumpkin growing ranks, the hundreds of good
seed types
	> will turn in to thousands. I could care less if you are a
Capitalist,
	> socialist , agronomist , communist. Time to stop the hand wringing
and get
	> back to the enjoyment of gardening. 98% of the things people worry
about
	> never come true and the other 2% is beyond your
control.........I'll give you
	> something to really worry about.Vine borer season is coming up for
some of us
	> next week . While some are worried that Mike Turner is turning the
pumpkin
	> World into smouldering ashes.......the vine borers are planning a
sneak
	> attack next week. Call to arms!!!!!!!!!! Man your back pack
sprayers, fly
	> swatters, shotguns.....whatever it takes to fend off the borer
assault. Borer
	> at 3 oclock!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incoming!!!!!!!!!@#$%^&*)((*^#%&**&%$
	>                                           Capt. Mighty Mabel
	>
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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:28:36 EDT
	From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
	Subject: Re: Burke 1092 Update

	Well, I just terminated my flat vined 1092 at about 6 foot and
burried it.I 
	have two side vines that are about 5-6 feet long that I'm training
to be 
	mains....will probably like to use it as a pollinator but I ned to
know a 
	thing or two about flat vines....is it genetic?(noticed two
1092's.two Hicks 
	745"s,a couple of momberts and a couple of possible 819stephansons)
	Is this something that will be carried down in the gene pool if I
cross my 
	879* with the 1092?.................................Glenn

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:33:00 -0400
	From: Lyle Rockwell <rocky.r@cyber-quest.com>
	Subject: flat vines

	    Is it just my mind playing tricks on me, or does there seem to
be a
	tremendous amount of flat vine emails this year? I am wondering if
there
	is something that causes this problem other than genetics. Why would
so
	many different strains of pumpkins have this problem? TO this
grower, I
	thought I was getting one, but got lucky and it straightened itslef
out
	after 3 ft, but since my early postings, I have noticed a tremendous
	infux of flat vines. I have been on this list for 3 years, and never
run
	into this many stories and reports of flat vines. Comments?

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:12:25 -0400
	From: "andy wolf" <farm@eznet.net>
	Subject: Re: flat vines

	    I'm hearing a lot of flat vines from the 1092. mine isn't flat,
but the
	first few inches of stump are somewhat strange looking, possibly
flat then
	fixed.  A friend of mine, not on this list, is growing a 1092 which
has a
	triple vine.  I think someone said that it was genetic not too long
ago,
	something to do with excessive inbreeding.  This may contribute to a
greater
	percentage of flats. This might be part of it since the 1092 was
selfed.
	this is not the whole story, since the 935 came from the 875 lloyd
which was
	a 614 Neily x752 Craven .  The male cross to the 875 was the 909.5,
which
	was a selfed 687 Lloyd. The 687 Lloyd was also a 614 x 752. This
whole
	description is easier to see if you're looking at the family tree,
but
	basically, a lot of the genetics have come from a 614x752 cross.

	Andy Wolf
	Allegany, NY


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	To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
	Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:45 PM
	Subject: flat vines


	>    Is it just my mind playing tricks on me, or does there seem to
be a
	>tremendous amount of flat vine emails this year? I am wondering if
there
	>is something that causes this problem other than genetics. Why
would so
	>many different strains of pumpkins have this problem? TO this
grower, I
	>thought I was getting one, but got lucky and it straightened itslef
out
	>after 3 ft, but since my early postings, I have noticed a
tremendous
	>infux of flat vines. I have been on this list for 3 years, and
never run
	>into this many stories and reports of flat vines. Comments?
	>
	>--
	>***Rocky Rockwell***
	>
	>http://home.cyber-quest.com/rocky.r
	>
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	>
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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:51:16 EDT
	From: Mastrpumkn@aol.com
	Subject: EKM #65 SUNFLOWERS

	LIST;
	     For those who want more info on this new seed Buck Meier can be
emailed 
	at Walleye11@hotmail.com Or write to him at  629-14th St. Brooking,
SD 57006. 

	  Alan R.

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:55:11 -0400 (EDT)
	From: okobojiorganicgardens@earthling.net
	Subject: sunflowers 

	Dear Pumpkin Growers,

	Regrettably, Buck Meier's father is very ill. Currently, he is with
his
	family at Johns Hopkins where his father is being treated. He
visited my
	Nursery a couple of weeks ago and looked and acted very tired, but
seemed
	in good spirits. His fiancee', my sister, Carmen has been getting
phone
	calls and e-mails regarding sunflowers. Understandingly, Buck has
more
	pressing concerns on his mind and is currently not able to read very
many
	of his e-mails or return phone calls. Carmen can't answer the
questions,
	but she has been saving a few of them in a file for him. However, I
	can't guarentee when or if he will be able to respond. I may be able
	to help in regards to some questions pertaining to sunflowers, as I
	also did undergrad research for Dr. Theodospholus in his development
of
	sunflowers. Currently, my Nursery is still working with C to C Ag.
and
	SDSU as a research and developmental site for their sunflowers.
Please
	e-mail me directly your questions directly, and I will try to answer
	your questions (This is is a very busy time of the year for me, but
I
	will try to answer as prompt as possible). If I don't have the
answers, I
	can try to save them for Buck and ask him the next time he passes
through.

	Buck is extremely close with his father and basically has put his
life on
	hold to be with him and his family. He started some pumpkins and
said he
	was going to let mother nature take care of them. he gave me four
plants
	to grow and I am amazed how fast they grow. If anybody knows of good
	web pages that explain aspects and techniques of growing these
giants,
	I would appreciate them.

	Sincerely,

	Steve P. Balducci
	Okoboji Organic Gardens
	Okoboji, IA

	okobojiorganicgardens@earthling.net

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:06:50 EDT
	From: Brad2julie@aol.com
	Subject: Re: flat vines

	Andy,
	           I agree with you.  The 1092 is a selfed plant from the
935 which 
	already has a genetically inbreed background.  This I believe why so
many are 
	seeing the mutations or bad alleles(forgive my spelling) showing up
in this 
	seed( the 1092).  I am curious.  The Grohs 846 is also a selfed 935.
Is 
	anyone growing it?  If so do you have similar problems?  

	Brad Walters

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:17:49 -0700
	From: Scott Cully <patrose@cdsnet.net>
	Subject: Re: Mike Turner

	Great response Pumpkin guy. It is good to see you are still down to
earth . Your
	friend in southern Oregon  Scott   Mastersculpter

	Pumkinguy@aol.com wrote:

	> Group,
	>     I think everybody is getting too revved up over this. Selling
a seed for
	> a hundred bucks is not a sign of impending doom in the pumpkin
World. Tony
	> Ciliberto and I were talking on the phone last week and were
talking about
	> how in the early days of giant pumpkins, there were just a few hot
pumpkin
	> seeds floating around. Now there are so many good seed
possibilities (
	> literally hundreds of them) ...it would be impossible to try them
all. As
	> more people join the pumpkin growing ranks, the hundreds of good
seed types
	> will turn in to thousands. I could care less if you are a
Capitalist,
	> socialist , agronomist , communist. Time to stop the hand wringing
and get
	> back to the enjoyment of gardening. 98% of the things people worry
about
	> never come true and the other 2% is beyond your
control.........I'll give you
	> something to really worry about.Vine borer season is coming up for
some of us
	> next week . While some are worried that Mike Turner is turning the
pumpkin
	> World into smouldering ashes.......the vine borers are planning a
sneak
	> attack next week. Call to arms!!!!!!!!!! Man your back pack
sprayers, fly
	> swatters, shotguns.....whatever it takes to fend off the borer
assault. Borer
	> at 3 oclock!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incoming!!!!!!!!!@#$%^&*)((*^#%&**&%$
	>                                           Capt. Mighty Mabel
	>
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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:12:06 EDT
	From: Taskemdoc@aol.com
	Subject: Re: Cloning top lines. 

	Harold - I am glad your in the group - I always enjoy your messages 

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:25:13 EDT
	From: Mastrpumkn@aol.com
	Subject: Gold Flies and plants Cuc. beetles prefer

	Growers;
	         I have in my garden flies with gold bodies and clear wings.
They are 
	the size of small house flies. Are they any danger, does anyone know
what 
	they are? They are very bright colored and good looking, if a fly
can be good 
	looking.
	         For those who are planting decoy plants, I have noticed
that my 
	Zucchini Squash plants drew many Cucumber beetles while the yellow
summer 
	squash drew almost none. Conclusion, Cuc. beetles prefer Zucchini 25
to 1. I 
	am not sure if decoy plants are the way to go. I've had a ton of the
beetles 
	this year and wonder if the extra plants actually drew more beetles
to my 
	patch. Do they smell them or what?  
	         On the flat Vine question I've had much more of it this
year. 
	         I pol. two female flowers today on my early plant. 935
lloyd x 600 
	Jones (Zehr) 
	   Alan R.  

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:33:34 EDT
	From: Mastrpumkn@aol.com
	Subject: Re: flat vines

	Brad,
	     I'm growing the 987 Grohs. I believe it was on the same plant
as the 
	843. Nice plant good vine. (935 x 935)

	  Alan R.

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:33:28 EDT
	From: Brad2julie@aol.com
	Subject: Re: Mike Turner

	Pumpkinguy,
	                     You are Hiiiiiilarious !!  Way to keep things
in 
	perspective.  By the I dare any vine borer or any other bug to taste
my 
	plants this year.  I have treated them with Admire( Imadacloprid
21%).  I 
	refuse to loose to these varmints as I did last year.

	Brad

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:48:08 EDT
	From: Brad2julie@aol.com
	Subject: Re: flat vines

	Alan, 
	        Yes it was on the same plant.  It split before wiehg-off(
the 987) 
	and it is a selfed 935.  Most people don't know about this pumpkin.
I have a 
	seed from it might self.  I gave one Wayne Kennedy.  He is trying it
this 
	year as well.  Largely because I ask him too. He is pretty cool.
Keep me 
	updated as to how it does.  I really want to know.

	Brad

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	Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:12:07 -0400
	From: "BILL J. SADOWSKI" <BSADOWSKI@CompuServe.COM>
	Subject: Re:  Pumpkins possibly toxic???

	Growing sunflowers in the pumpkin patch has no ill effects on the
plants.  
	That person is nuts.  I have been using sunflowers around my
pumpkins to
	help shade the plants so they don't cook in July's heat.  Actually
some
	smaller 'baby boo' varieties love growing up and hanging on the
sunflowers.

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	Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:51:10 PDT
	From: The Pumpkin Master <thepumpkinmaster@hotmail.com>
	Subject: Re: Genetics

	so is the male cross a toss up between a 636.5 wycoff and a 735
wycoff?  THe 
	envelope said it was a 801 and a 636.5 but there were no names.  But
thanks 
	for the reply


	>From: MHicks4939@aol.com
	>Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
	>To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
	>Subject: Re: Genetics
	>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:13:43 EDT
	>
	>In a message dated 6/10/99 3:44:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
	>thepumpkinmaster@hotmail.com writes:
	>
	><<     I was wondering if anyone knows the parents of a 747 wycoff
98.  I
	>have
	>  no idea who the parent seeds are.  >>
	>My information shows
	>Female - 801 Stelts "97
	>Male cross - 636.5 and 735 Wyckoff
	>
	>Marv Hicks
	>
	
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