Re: GOOD SEED--BAD CONDITIONS
Good point George,
When it comes to UOW, most think that is bad, but remember, the Bobier
723,which is one of, if not the, hottest seed out there, is a UOW seed,
and most of the ones I have eyeballed have had some type of immaturity
on them. This slight immaturity makes some get nervous, but actually,
most of the 723's out there will germinate just fine.
George Webster wrote:
>
> Mark,
> Last year one of the speakers at the Northwest Growers Seminar was a
> genetic specialist from the University of Oregon. I asked her if a
> seed from a 200 pound pumpkin and a 900 pound with the same genetics
> were capable of producing equally large fruit. She told me that if
> they were both the same cross, they have they have the same
> "genetic potential" of producing equally large pumpkins. We did not
> get in to a dicussion of poor soil, watering and other growing conditions
> but my guess is that this does not alter the genetic potential of the seed.
> I think that most growers (mysel included) think that BIGGER is better....
> so what do we do.....we plant the seed from the 900 pounder and ignore that
> 200 pounder's seed.
> Here's a good example......A couple of weeks ago at the California Growers
> Meeting, two of Geneva Emmons 1262's went for $100 each at our auction.
> That same day there were about a dozen packets of Jose Ceja's
> 900+ (uow) 01 on the table for growers to select during the raffle. The footnote
> on these packets clearly stated that these seeds had the same cross as the
> 2001 World Record. There were 2 seeds in each packet. After 2 or 3 rounds of the
> raffle most of these seed packets were still there. Why weren't they picked
> up sooner.......BECAUSE WE THINK THAT BIGGER IS BETTER......and also because
> uow seeds are largely ignored. If the genetic specialist is correct, these
> seeds have the same "potential" as the 1262.
> Mark, you also mentioned seed size. The size of the seed is usually a genteic
> thing and has no bearing on how big a fruit it will produce. For example,
> the 449 Marcellus is a very small seed and it grew the 991 Hunt and other large
> pumpkins. The famous 567.5 Mombert was also a small seed.
> Mark, I look forward to meeting you and the other east coast and Canada growers
> at Niagara Falls next week.
>
> George Webster
> Napa, Ca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf
> Of Mark
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:26 PM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: GOOD SEED--BAD CONDITIONS
>
> I'd like to get some input on future generations' potential on the above
> subject. If I had a seed that had good parents, great grandparents &
> great-grandparents, etc and it was grown in poor soil, improper feeding &
> watering, wrong set-out date, poor fruit set or pollination, poor growing
> conditions, etc etc and it produced a small fruit short-lived by frost or
> whatever reason, just how good is the harvested seed, assuming the pumpkin
> was old enough to produce mature seed? My question isn't if the seed is old
> enough (I already germinated some successfully) but rather what is the
> potential? did it lose its good "blood" thru the generations or is it still
> there? If my 792 Holland and Sherrie LaRue's UOW 1016 produced a 300 lb
> pumpkin, would there be an interest in the seeds? And for those who would
> want them, would you still want them if the seeds were small? If someone
> grew these seeds PROPERLY, what might the results be?
> I'd like to get some opinions on this. I'll be at the Niagara Falls seminar
> if somebody wants to see the seeds, page me by BowTie or GoodSeed-BadSeed. I
> don't think I'll know anyone there, maybe 1 or 2 at most.
>
> Mark
>
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