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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:59:48 -0500

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To: Duncan McAlpine <d*@boeing.com>
Subject: Re: Who wants to run the Pumpkin mailing list?
From: T* L* <t*@rica.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 04:41:02 -0800
References: <34671DD8.C69@boeing.com>

Regarding Running the Pumpkin mailing list:
I, for one, am very satisfied. I enjoy & feel privileged to  be allowed to
take part in this list. I enjoy all of you; both the informative postings &
the banter.
    I am on several different lists for assorted topics, (including one or
two of Duncan's, so I better be careful how I word this), & this is one of
the best, both for topics, & for just wonderful people. (I brag about you
guys all the time). It is my favorite & the one I enjoy the most. (sorry
Duncan: I like the others, but they're not as much fun).
    The lists are both knowledge & recreation for me. I LOVE GARDENING. It
is recreation, therapy, part of my spirit; whatever you want to call it. the
people here seem to enjoy it & share my appreciation of it, while keeping
the humor & happiness in gardening.
    The pumpkin list nurtures & encourages all this, & the owner has my
wholehearted approval & applause for his success at this endeavor.
    I really feel that no one means to criticize the owner or operation of
the list. I get the feeling everyone is happy with the list. Problems arise
from the stress & difficulties created (as I noted in my post) by people
such as our just past foul-mouthed unsubscriber. Then they just sit back &
enjoy all the trouble they've caused. If there is any problem here, this was
the source.
 If there is anything I can do to help take some of the strain off or help
encourage the owner, I would be delighted to do so.
To the owner:  You are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
TerryLynn

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To: p*@athenet.net
Subject: Who wants to run the Pumpkin mailing list?
From: D* M* <d*@boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:44:40 -0800

I see allot of advise of what should be done to run this mailing list.
Do you want to run it? Do you want to figure out all the config files
and anwser all the queries from failed subscribes and unsubscribes? Do
you want to pay 200 a year to support this mailing list for the rest of
your life? Do you want to answer all the questions which come in from
non-subscribers on pumpkin related material? Do  you want to hear how
you should run your mailing list from everyone else who is on your
mailing list? Do you want to have to read all your postings from your
maililng list to see if the topic is related to the mailing list? Do you
want to create a nev/dull file on your ISP to search for key words to
dump posting before they are posted? Do you want to do this without any
support? Do you want to keep abreast of the new versions of mailing list
programs to support your members? Do you want to reallign your config
file to support a digest format? Do you assume because you see something
on another mailing list it is easy to do on your mailing list? Do you
know how many different types of mailing list programs there are? Do you
assume they all work the same? Will your ISP support more than one type
of mailing list?

This is what is knowledge required to be a  mailing list owner. I run
three mailing list and pumpkins is not one of them. Give the pumpkin
mailing listowner a BREAK. I know when I see the F word for support, it
takes me a little longer to support them. But, sooner or later, they go
into a reject file.

Duncan

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To: <n*@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>, <p*@athenet.net>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribing
From: "* b* <d*@saltspring.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:22:21 -0800

Besides, they COULD do a search on Dejanews, but I guess that's way too
hard for guys like that!

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> From: Mike and Carolyn <neps@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>
> To: pumpkins@athenet.net
> Subject: Unsubscribing
> Date: November 7, 1997 6:38 PM
> 
> I have been on this list about 10 months now. It seems like every week
> someone idiot is whining for someone to remove them. Every time, a reply
> is made stating the correct way to remove ones self from the list. My
> opinion is this: if you can't figure it out by now then that's your
> problem. You're too stupid too be using a computer anyway and therefore
> have no business being here. Considering the content of Mr. Alexander's
> message, I would not lift a finger to assist him but rather let him
> figure it out himself. Winter is coming on and it's a slow time for this
> list. We could all use a few laughs....
> 
> Just a thought

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To: p*@aol.com
Subject: TO OUR SPECIAL HANSON FAN!
From: H* I* <h*@zentropy.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:03:27 -0600

ATTENTION HANSON FANS! 

 *CALL OR VISIT YOUR LOCAL RECORD STORE NOW TO REQUEST A COPY OF
HANSON'S SNOWED IN! 
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                                      Also coming to stores soon 
                                      Hanson's own home video 
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                                    Don't forget to request that too! 


Check out Hanson's schedule below for the rest of November, and see if
they will be in your area soon!!! 

November 11: AOL 
Check out the Hanson America On Line chat 9:00pm to 9:45pm, eastern
standard time! 

November 16: Miami 
Hanson will be performing from 5:00pm-5:40pm at Young Circle Hollywood,
Florida for Y100 Radio. Tune in to the
station for more information! 


November 18: Dallas 
KHKS Radio will be broadcasting Hanson as they perform an acoustic set
at 7:30am at Grapevine Mills Mall in Dallas! 


November 18: Kansas City 
Hanson will be performing an acoustic set of 3-4 songs 6:00pm at a mall
location that has yet to be announced! The event
time may change, so tune into KMXV to find out all the details! 


November 19: Detroit 
WKQI will broadcast Hanson on air at 7:00am. 


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November 19: Cleveland 
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At 5:00pm Hanson will be on WZJM! 


November 20: Washington D.C. 
WWZZ will have Hanson on air at 7:00am performing an acoustic set. 

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Hanson will perform an acoustic set at 8:30am on WXYV. 


November 20: Philadephia 
Tune in to WIOQ at 5:00pm for Hanson's acoustic set. 


November 21: Pittsburgh 
WBZZ will have Hanson on at 7:30am to perform an acoustic set. 

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Hanson will perform an acoustic set at 5:00pm at a location yet to be
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Hanson will be performing at the Celebrity Rock Cafe in Buckhead from
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Hanson will be hosting an evening of Nickelodeo from 8-10pm. 

November 28: ABC 
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To: P*@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Ugly Message
From: C* C* <b*@ns.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:11:01 -0800
References: <971108151056_-822877169@mrin47>

Palomeano@aol.com wrote:

> Dear Jeff, I like the fact that the Pumpkin-People are offended.  It's the
> nicest group I've encountered.  Let's not be ashamed of being offended at
> rudeness.  Thanks, Carol W

I think that the reason that this message got so much response is the fact
that it is funny.  I doubt that anybody was really offended - just dumbfounded
that someone can be so stupid.

--

-Cary Chleborad   Sacramento, CA
Sacramento Valley Astronomical Society - http://www.calweb.com/~svas/

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To: p*@athenet.net
Subject: technology
From: D* S* <d*@leland.stanford.edu>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:32:07 -0700

Here is a watering technology question:

I'd like to set up a misting system for next year that automatically kicks
in in response to temperature in the patch.  Right now I am limited to your
regular 4 cycle a day timers.  Does anyone know what products are available
for this job?

	Dan Shapiro

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To: p*@athenet.net
Subject: Soil test results
From: M* a* C* <n*@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:52:54 -0500

Hey everyone, 

Got my soil test results back and have a few questions. Neither my
county extension office nor the testing lab have any experience with
giant pumpkins so I am turning to all of you for advice.

My phosphorus is VERY high. Off the chart! My potassium is in the lower
part of the high range, as is my magnesium. My calcium is in the medium
range. The zinc and manganese levels are exceptable but my ph is a
little low at 6.0. 

I am planning on dumping about another 4 yards of composted manure per
plant in a couple weeks. What effect will that have on my levels?

There was no nitrogen level given but I'm not really interested in that
right now. I know how quickly nitrogen leaches from the soil. I'll check
that just before I plant.

Will my exceptionally high phosphorus level have a negative effect? Will
more manure raise it any more. What can I do to lower it?

Thanks everyone,

Mike in Atlanta

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To: <p*@athenet.net>
Subject: Pumpkins Are Orange
From: "* A* <c*@value.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:16:41 -0800

Hi Everyone!

Having griped at all the postings over this book I feel a little sheepish
posting a note. I just finished reading  the Book Pumpkins Are Orange by
Jack Breckenridge. Having used two rolls of toilet paper to dry my eye's as
a result of the gut wrenching laughter that ensued, I must recommend this
book as critical winter reading material!

Too it would make a great Holiday Gift!

Thanks for all the tears Jack!

PS. I think my favorite episode is the battle with the New Zealand Gofers,
the most intelligent in the world. I can envision myself resorting to these
extreme methods of eradication!! Too Funny!!!

Regards
Chris Andersen
Moraga, Calif.

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To: Pumpkin Central <p*@athenet.net>

Subject: peaceful "Venting" via How to unsubscribe

From: M* M* <A*@home.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:22:50 -0800
*If we "all" save this message and forward it to anybody who wants to
unsubscribe and is having trouble. I think that they will really get a
"lot" of "HELP" :-)

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To: John Failor <b*@bright.net>
Subject: Re: hybrid vigor ?
From: T* L* <t*@rica.net>
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 11:21:14 -0800
References: <l03110700b08c09e982f7@[209.143.4.43]>

John:
    Yes, this was probably hybrid vigor. The important part to remember is
that the genes split back in the F1 crosses. As you have mentioned, not only
did you not get large pumpkins; the smaller ones were now mishapen. The thing
to remember is that when going for hybrid vigor, You mate 2 wholly unrelated
lines, with very different genes: i.e. you diversify the genes, so that when
they split back up in the next generation, you may still have unpredictable
changes.  To get true to type, Hybrids like this must be grown asexually - by
vegatative propagation: cuttings, grafts, rooting shoots or runners.
The problem with hybrid vigor is that the next generation is so diverse that
often, when developing a line, the F1 generation seems to be putting you
farther back than you were before the cross. This breeding method, (followed
by back crossing & linebreeding to "fix" any desireable traits genetically)
can be very discouraging & requires a lot of patience & perserverance. The
rewards are great, but they are usually years down the line.
TerryLynn

John Failor wrote:

>         With all the discussion of hybrid vigor lately I remembered a
> possible occurence of this a few years back with some C.pepos. I crossed a
> small warty gourd with a regular jack o lantern type pumpkin. The pollen
> came from the gourd plant. The next years result was a large 50-60 pound
> all orange heavily warted something or other. It was bigger than the other
> jack-o-lanterns and more warty than the other gourds. Was this an example
> of hybrid vigor? Also the seeds from this odd creation reverted back to
> either a small to medium gourd or a slightly misshapen pumpkin. From the
> discussion I have heard it sounds as though it may have been hybrid vigor.

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To: p*@athenet.net
Subject: hybrid vigor ?
From: J* F* <b*@bright.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:55:38 -0500

	With all the discussion of hybrid vigor lately I remembered a
possible occurence of this a few years back with some C.pepos. I crossed a
small warty gourd with a regular jack o lantern type pumpkin. The pollen
came from the gourd plant. The next years result was a large 50-60 pound
all orange heavily warted something or other. It was bigger than the other
jack-o-lanterns and more warty than the other gourds. Was this an example
of hybrid vigor? Also the seeds from this odd creation reverted back to
either a small to medium gourd or a slightly misshapen pumpkin. From the
discussion I have heard it sounds as though it may have been hybrid vigor.

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To: "P*@athenet.net" <P*@athenet.net>
Subject: Re: Hybrid Vigor
From: T* L* <t*@rica.net>
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:58:51 -0800
References: <971109174159_-1240800431@mrin86.mail.aol.com>

LGOURD@aol.com wrote:

> Terry,
>
> True hybrid vigor can also be expressed in the "mule" vs: the "hinny"
> concept.  The offspring will take the size of the mother with the mule cross.
>  Can we expect any such happening with the pumpkin?
>
> Ray Waterman/WPC

  TerryLynn answers:
   You're right, there, Ray, but that is a specialized instance, for
mules. The
resulting offspring also are affected by uterine environment. The mare's
uterus
is much bigger than that of the donkey. As a result, this cross starts
out much
bigger at birth. The mare also usually has more milk, due to her size, &
is able
to nourish a large baby better than the smaller donkey. Thus, yes the
reciprocal
cross would be smaller in most cases.
    In our own program, we find that by using a specific Clydesdale
stallion
(size, power, soundness & disposition) with TB mares ( refinement, reach
&
stretch in body build, speed, maneuverability & athletic ability) we
consistently
get the best of both sides, with the sire passing on size even though
some of the
mares are only 15.2 & the sire is 17.2 hands. The resultant offspring
range from
16 to 17.3 hands, with many 16.2's coming from 15.2 mares.
    Unusually, the F1 offspring of this sire tend to be consistent. The
sons sire
slightly lighter, more refined offspring very consistently. While the
initial
Clydesdale & some of his offspring still have some knee action; the
foals
produced by all F1s (as long as bred to TBs & Arabs) all move smoothly
with
little to no knee action. Interestingly enough, the F1 females, when
bred to TB
stallions, all produce foals finer than themselves, but heavier than
those
produced by their F1 brothers (when mated to Thoroughbred mares). All
foals
produced by the F1s are more refined than the Clydesdale, are very
athletic, move
with little to no knee action: are all good athletic horses & good
jumpers. All
are 16+ hands & all have good dispositions.
    Even though it is our own line; even being impartial, I would have
to rate
this as an extraordinary hybrid cross, due to the consistence of the
prepotency &
dominance of the F1 generation. Believe me this does not happen often.
    I recommend looking upon the hybrid results of a cross as a window
into the
future, or a foretelling of what is there in the genes. (you see it now;
but in
the next generation, it sinks back into the gene pool: its there, but
you have to
breed carefully to acquire its physical manifestation)
    It is important to remember that the genes are then diluted &
fragmented when
the F1 generation is bred on. By doing "self or sib" matings, we have a
chance to
try to intensify certain characteristics. The point, here is that the
hybrid's
size is proof that size is there. But if we dilute it or spread the
genetic
material more thinly, we lessen the intensity of the characteristic.
    A breeder will, instead, try to mate the F1 hybrid to large pumpkin
families,
in an attempt to encourage the development of a homozygous giant. The
problem
with this is that you also frequently intensify other characteristics
that are
present as well. Such as pale color or poor shape (which might not
bother some,
but are anaethema to me). Then you have to try to breed these out, &
that takes
more time.
    This is where it pays to use proven lines, where you know the
pedigree & the
genetic material that is present. Thus, there are far fewer unpleasant
surprises.
back crossing the F2 generation to the F1 or even to the Foundaing
parents, helps
to "set the characteristic".
    Sometimes a characteristic is neither completely dominant or
recessive. An
example would be mating red to white petunias, & getting pink offspring.
Thus,
you would need to duplicate the "hybridity" (genetic variation) to get
the same
result as in the hybrid. I have asked Michael to explain incomplete
dominance in
depth. He should be posting this with in the next few days.
    However, to establish the individual doninances in your F1 hybrids,
you would
need to make a few test matings. An example are the Clydesdale &
Thoroughbred
stallions in our program.
    I am going to share my personal breeding creed here with you: "Never
make a
mating that you are reasonably sure will rate below good in quality"
"always
approach a potential planned breeding by evaluating the best & worst
that could
come from this mating. If the worst will rate less than "good" ...don't
make the
cross".
    I took the initial Clydesdale, & made the assumption that he would
sire
"heavy". Since I was breeding for a lighter performance horse, I used
correct,
slim , elegant TB mares, knowing I could count on him  to provide more
muscling,
size & power on the offspring. This is what I call a "Positive test
cross". The
offspring almost can't fail, yet if he doesn't sire much muscling, I
will get a
horse that looks more Thoroughbred than I perhaps want, but is still a
good
individual. I found out what I needed to know, without producing an
undesireable
foal. I feel that every breeder has a responsibility to try to do these
positive
test crosses, rather than negative.
    Our Thoroughbred stallions are selected for soundness, conformation,
athletic
ability, disposition, beauty & refinement. The question is: "will they
sire sound
but slimmer bone?" The first thing I did was mate them to heavier-boned
Thoroughbred mares & a couple of the F1 Clydesdale crosses. The foals
would still
be acceptable, due to the parents used for the matings, even if they
were as
heavy-boned as the dams. If they were a bit more elegant, I would have
my
improved next generation. If I got heavy-boned foals, I would know the
stallion
did not sire refinement.
    The reason this kind of mating is necessary is to identify the
characteristics carried by the hybrids. Then chart their presence &
dominance by
the effects on the offpring when mated to females carrying certain
traits. Once
you have identified the pattern of hereditary for the F1 cross, you can
breed on
very successfully, & make much more rapid progress.
    This was the long way "around the barn", but I wanted to explain
thoroughly
what we have been talking about & how to implement it further. I hope I
made it
clear enough, but if not, please feel free to contact me for additional
information.
TerryLynn

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To: Pumpkin Central <p*@athenet.net>
Subject: How to Unsubscribe / (might be a good idea to save this message)
From: M* M* <A*@home.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:20:01 -0800
References: <34489722.83DD88E@HOME.COM>

SENDING THE MESSAGE "please, please, pretty please with sugar on top
unsubscribe me" or "Get me off this !@$@#$#% list NOW!!!" TO
PUMPKINS@ATHENET.NET IS NOT the proper way to be removed from this list.

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*If you have tried all of these things and are still having trouble then
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To: DANIEL GARDNER <P*@ATHENET.NET>
Subject: Grafting!
From: "* T* <s*@rgh.sa.gov.au>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:23:00 -0800 (PST)
Encoding: 21 TEXT


Just last night I was reading about this.
This book had a small piece on grafting cucurbits, I would like to
know more. I can imagine a very thick vine with a huge root system
on both ends. Or maybe a huge pumpkin being fed from
six root systems.
 This was going to be next years secret weapon.
This season I might try grafting a tomato plant to a potato plant.
Yep you get the two vegies on one plant!..... true.....
PS. New Zealand tomatoes need two root systems to make up
for the poor soil.
 ------------------------------
Right here is a good 'un.

Has anybody done any work on grafting two plants in the small stages of
growth so that there are two sysems going into one pumpkin? It is done
with Tomatoes here so I was wondering if there was any views on this.

Cheers
John Sargeant
'Pumpkins of New Zealand'

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To: "'Mike Stephenson'" <m*@beaconmortgage.com>, Bill Verchère <b*@island.net>, Pumpkin Newsgroup <p*@athenet.net>
Subject: RE: Floating seeds
From: "* C* <c*@chmc.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:58:04 -0800

  Ditto for rose seeds.  Anyone starting to see a trend?  Also with all
this talk of hybrid vigor and genetic selection, do we know the number
of chromosones and ploidy of c. maxima?  Just curious.

Chris Michalec
Covington, WA
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mike Stephenson [SMTP:mike@beaconmortgage.com]
> Sent:	Sunday, November 09, 1997 9:54 PM
> To:	Bill Verch�re; Pumpkin Newsgroup
> Subject:	Re: Floating seeds
> 
> 
> 
> >about half  floated and the rest sank.
> >
> >Hmm - Is there some significance in this important discovery?
> 
> Experience with seeds from lotus and many aquatics is that the
> floaters
> are not viable and the sinkers are good.
> 
> If this applies to pumpkins I can't say, but I am sure you can guess
> where I would put my bet.
> 
> Mike in Oregon

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To: "Bill Verchère" <b*@island.net>, "Pumpkin Newsgroup" <p*@athenet.net>

Subject: Re: Floating seeds

From: "* S* <m*@beaconmortgage.com>

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:54:09 -0800
>about half  floated and the rest sank.
>
>Hmm - Is there some significance in this important discovery?

Experience with seeds from lotus and many aquatics is that the floaters
are not viable and the sinkers are good.

If this applies to pumpkins I can't say, but I am sure you can guess
where I would put my bet.

Mike in Oregon

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To: <C*@aol.com>, <p*@athenet.net>
Subject: Re: Drying seeds
From: "* b* <d*@saltspring.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:51:01 -0800

Sounds like a perfectly fine way to dry and save your seeds, except I'd
have used a screen or some other perforated thing instead of a cookie
sheet, because the air could get all the way around the seeds.

----------
> From: COMPUTRESE@aol.com
> To: pumpkins@athenet.net
> Subject: Drying seeds
> Date: November 10, 1997 11:36 AM
> 
> Hello!
> 
> What is the preferred method for drying pumpkin seeds? 
> 
> Some of my pumpkins were "dry" inside, that is, there were seeds, but
> virtually none of the slimy pumpkin viscera we lovingly refer to as
"snot".
> The seeds from these pumpkins easily separated from the strings, and were
> "clean".
> 
> Some of my other pumpkins had such stringy, slimy stuff, it was gross to
> clean. I piled up all of the viscera and separated the seeds from it with
> moderate difficulty. These seeds were slimy and sticky, requiring a rinse
in
> water. I did not notice if my seeds sank or floated.
> 
> For future reference, is it best to rinse the seeds? Also, does anyone
have a
> mesh or screen they use for best results? How does one tell if the seeds
are
> dry? My seeds were very plump and large. 
> 
> I was concerned that wetting them would result in germination. I wanted
them
> as dry as possible, so I laid them out flat on a perforated baking pan,
after
> patting them dry from their rinse. I tossed them frequently to avoid
pooling
> of moisture. They dried within a week.
> 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> Barb
> Orlando, FL

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To: p*@athenet.net
Subject: Drying seeds
From: C*@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:36:19 -0500 (EST)

Hello!

What is the preferred method for drying pumpkin seeds? 

Some of my pumpkins were "dry" inside, that is, there were seeds, but
virtually none of the slimy pumpkin viscera we lovingly refer to as "snot".
The seeds from these pumpkins easily separated from the strings, and were
"clean".

Some of my other pumpkins had such stringy, slimy stuff, it was gross to
clean. I piled up all of the viscera and separated the seeds from it with
moderate difficulty. These seeds were slimy and sticky, requiring a rinse in
water. I did not notice if my seeds sank or floated.

For future reference, is it best to rinse the seeds? Also, does anyone have a
mesh or screen they use for best results? How does one tell if the seeds are
dry? My seeds were very plump and large. 

I was concerned that wetting them would result in germination. I wanted them
as dry as possible, so I laid them out flat on a perforated baking pan, after
patting them dry from their rinse. I tossed them frequently to avoid pooling
of moisture. They dried within a week.

Thanks for your input.

Barb
Orlando, FL

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To: p*@athenet.net
Subject: A reminder
From: D* M* <d*@boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:49:36 -0800

> > > Yeah, he's a jerk. But perhaps Duncan or someone could post the entire
> > > rules of unsubscribing or putting the list on hold or something once
> and
> > > for all. All the rules, and we can all print it out and tape it to the
> > side
> > > of our monitors once and for all, please.
> >
> >
> > Denise -
> >

You can always go to the pumpkin mailing list archives and do a search
on unsubscribe and see all the postings related to this thread.
If you scan for my name, I am sure you will see a few postings on the
process.
http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins/search.cgi

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