perennials DIGEST V2 #30
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perennials DIGEST Monday, November 10 1997 Volume 02 : Number 030
In this issue:
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
What's still blooming Z5?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:12:29 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Hi Chris,
I use many of the home ingredient type formulas for my garden especially for
bug sprays, as I have children and pets and dont like using chemicals. In
answer to your beer question, the cheapest is fine. They dont really care
what type :)
Bug sprays that I use often are as follows, and if you would like any more
just let me know.
One red pepper diced and two cloves garlic squashed, in a gallon of water
sit over night or a little longer, add in a little water, can be diluted 1/2
stregnth if not too bad (bugs) strain out pepper and garlic after a few
days, put in atomizer bottle and spray plants, bugs will stay away, must be
applied after rain.
#2- childrens shampoo (capful) nicotine juice (boiled chewing tobacco let
sit overnight and strain dont keep tightly sealed can explode jar. Also it
stinks keep in shed or garage!!!) about 1/2 c of that. 1/2 c mint mouthwash
also in spray bottle.
For lawns 2-3 x a year epsom salt in hose end sprayer mixed w/ a can of soda
and a can of beer will dethach lawn........
Enjoy
Pat aka Plantermom@Juno.com
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From: Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@mallorn.com>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 8:40 AM
Subject: Magic fertilizer mixes?
>I was looking through Horticulture magazine the other day, and there was
>an add on the bottom of a page advertising "secret gardening tips."
>One example that they gave was the combination of beer, water, and some
>other household ingredients to spray on garden plants on a three week
>schedule.
>
>Does anybody do this kind of thing? Have their own special blend? Do
>plants prefer a stout to an ale, or is a lager preferred? :)
>
>Curiously yours,
>
>Chris
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:48:29 -0600
From: Beth and Bob Matney <bmatney@mail.snider.net>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Dear Pat,
Not to but in on this, BUT I was horrified to see nicotine in one of your
recipies, especially given your expressed concern about children and pets.
Nicotine is EXTREMELY toxic (much worse than common chemical sprays in
comparable amounts). A good site to check on toxidity is the Extoxnet page:
http://ace.orst.edu/info/extoxnet/
Please keep in mind that the chemical industry is not the only source of
dangerous poisons.
Beth Matney <bmatney@mail.snider.net>
At 12:12 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Chris,
>I use many of the home ingredient type formulas for my garden especially for
>bug sprays, as I have children and pets and dont like using chemicals. In
>answer to your beer question, the cheapest is fine. They dont really care
>what type :)
>Bug sprays that I use often are as follows, and if you would like any more
>just let me know.
>One red pepper diced and two cloves garlic squashed, in a gallon of water
>sit over night or a little longer, add in a little water, can be diluted 1/2
>stregnth if not too bad (bugs) strain out pepper and garlic after a few
>days, put in atomizer bottle and spray plants, bugs will stay away, must be
>applied after rain.
>#2- childrens shampoo (capful) nicotine juice (boiled chewing tobacco let
>sit overnight and strain dont keep tightly sealed can explode jar. Also it
>stinks keep in shed or garage!!!) about 1/2 c of that. 1/2 c mint mouthwash
>also in spray bottle.
>For lawns 2-3 x a year epsom salt in hose end sprayer mixed w/ a can of soda
>and a can of beer will dethach lawn........
>Enjoy
>Pat aka Plantermom@Juno.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:09:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Amy Rupp <amyr@austx.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
> stinks keep in shed or garage!!!) about 1/2 c of that. 1/2 c mint mouthwash
> also in spray bottle.
> For lawns 2-3 x a year epsom salt in hose end sprayer mixed w/ a can of soda
> and a can of beer will dethach lawn........
The later is classic Jerry Baker and most online gardeners do not put much
stock in his advice. Don't be offended if someone phrases that a little
less delicately.
Mint mouthwash and soda are DEFINITELY not organic; read the labels and
you'll see a LOT of manmade chemicals in there. They may be edible in
small quantities, but they're not organic.
One good organic tip besides the epsom salts (which are naturally
occurring magnesium sulfate): alfalfa is a tremendous growth stimulant.
Alfalfa meal is easiest to work with, but pellets can be ground, and hay
can be used, especially under strawberries.
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Date: 10 Nov 1997 13:51:49 -0400
From: "Sheila Craig" <sheila_craig@qmail.newbridge.com>
Subject: What's still blooming Z5?
The mailing list is getting kinda slow - I guess the gardeners are going
dormant with their gardens!
A rudbeckia I planted this summer is still putting out new flowers (slowly,
but surely). It got going late and I guess the 5-10 degree C highs we've been
getting for the past couple of weeks are enough to keep it going, despite the
nightly frost. It even survived having 20 cms of snow dumped on it for a week.
A cold front is heading our way, though. I think this is _really_ the end of
the garden for the year. The only other things still showing colour are my
baby calluna vulgaris (oh, I hope they survive the winter) and one sedum
spectabilis that was sheltered enough that the snow didn't flatten it.
What's blooming in your gardens?
- -Sheila
Ottawa, Canada
Zone 4/5
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:13:38 EST
From: "Ross Greenberg" <ross@UMS1.Lan.McGill.CA>
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
> What's blooming in your gardens?
I know exactly what's still blooming because I just picked some of
everything for what's likely the season's last bouquet. Erysimum
"Gold Shot" and Corydalis ochroleuca are the only ones with lots
of flowers. The rest are just straggling and struggling: Campanula
rotundifolia; an unknown Anthemis species still has a few yellow
daisies; a single autumn Crocus zonatus of a dozen planted a few
years ago has survived and is flowering; Cephalaria tatarica (I
think) with creamy scabiosa blossoms; and Cyclamen hederifolium with
a scattering of 2-inch high pink reflexed flowers.
Ross Greenberg
Montreal z5
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:31:32 -0700
From: nsterman@ucsd.edu (Nan Sterman)
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
>The mailing list is getting kinda slow - I guess the gardeners are going
>dormant with their gardens!
Oh no! Here in southern california, we are into our best planting season
right now. Not to gloat, but I have lots of things blooming -- asters,
salvias, tagetes lemmoni (a perennila marigold), prickly poppies,
buddleias, and more. It's not like a spring bloom, but its still really
nice! I'm already busy selecting bare root trees and other things to plant
between now and February. I don't get a nice break like you all do....
guess I shouldn't complain, though. : }
Nan
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Olivenhain, California
Sunset Zone 24, USDA Zone 10b or 11
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If you want to be happy for a few hours, get drunk;
If you want to be happy for a week-end get married;
If you want to be happy for a week, barbeque a pig;
If you want to be happy all your life long become a gardener
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:01:44 -0700
From: Kwint <gwprod@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
At 3:31 PM -0700 11/10/97, Nan Sterman wrote:
>>The mailing list is getting kinda slow - I guess the gardeners are going
>>dormant with their gardens!
>
>Oh no! Here in southern california, we are into our best planting season
>right now. Not to gloat, but I have lots of things blooming -- asters,
>salvias, tagetes lemmoni (a perennila marigold), prickly poppies,
>buddleias, and more. It's not like a spring bloom, but its still really
>nice! I'm already busy selecting bare root trees and other things to plant
>between now and February. I don't get a nice break like you all do....
>guess I shouldn't complain, though. : }
>
>Nan
Also zone 9 here - and we have rudbeckias continuing, lots of
chrysanthemums, gallardias, bougainvillea, roses, mexican bush sage, blue
bedding salvia, bird of paradise, marigolds, and a few azaleas starting.
I'm planting all sorts of bulbs right now and have giant alliums chilling
in the fridge before setting them out.
Karen
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:33:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Amy Rupp <amyr@austx.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
> Also zone 9 here - and we have rudbeckias continuing, lots of
> chrysanthemums, gallardias, bougainvillea, roses, mexican bush sage, blue
> bedding salvia, bird of paradise, marigolds, and a few azaleas starting.
Z 8b, with all tropicals continuing, some just beginning to bloom!
morning glories, etc. My camellias have been in bloom for a MONTH now.
Very weird combination bouquets I take to work. In for a chilly week
but no sign of first frost yet. Pink cuphea really shining -- a very
nice plant -- kinda like the cigar Cuphea but a light pink.
> I'm planting all sorts of bulbs right now and have giant alliums chilling
> in the fridge before setting them out.
Uh, I chill tulips, and most daffs to be safe, but I didn't know of ANY
chill requirements for alliums, even the drumstick giant kind. Some
irises, notably the reticulatas, can use some chill, but ALLIUMS?
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:50:56 -0700
From: Kwint <gwprod@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
>> Also zone 9 here - and we have rudbeckias continuing, lots of
>> chrysanthemums, gallardias, bougainvillea, roses, mexican bush sage, blue
>> bedding salvia, bird of paradise, marigolds, and a few azaleas starting.
>
>Z 8b, with all tropicals continuing, some just beginning to bloom!
>morning glories, etc. My camellias have been in bloom for a MONTH now.
>Very weird combination bouquets I take to work. In for a chilly week
>but no sign of first frost yet. Pink cuphea really shining -- a very
>nice plant -- kinda like the cigar Cuphea but a light pink.
>
>> I'm planting all sorts of bulbs right now and have giant alliums chilling
>> in the fridge before setting them out.
>
>Uh, I chill tulips, and most daffs to be safe, but I didn't know of ANY
>chill requirements for alliums, even the drumstick giant kind. Some
>irises, notably the reticulatas, can use some chill, but ALLIUMS?
>
Yes, I was surprised, too. But I read it somewhere that chilling them
brings about a bigger bloom. I have not planted giant alliums before so I
didn't know if this was customary or not. But what the hey, if it works!?
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:00:36 -0500
From: "ginny" <vhw95@fast.net>
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
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Still have Buddleia 'Crispa', a couple of salvias, Knautia macedonica, a =
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and white snapdragon (whose tag got lost several years ago), a reddish =
nicotiana, reblooming iris (has been blooming for the last month or so =
and what a welcome sight!), Scabiosa 'Butterfly blue', some cyclamen and =
some Corydalis lutea. These have all survived several frosts here in PA =
zone 6.
We, too, are waiting for a cold snap to strike. Sort of sad, but it =
will give me time to finish (or start in some cases) those journal =
entries--you know, like what knocked your socks off this year, etc. and =
to think about reorganizing parts of the garden that were weak. I find =
each year that there are more and more parts of my garden that are very =
satisfying. My goal is to have more wonderful combinations each year.
Two books that I recommend for winter reading are any by Ann Lovejoy, =
but especially Further Along the Garden Path and Lauren Springer's book, =
The Undaunted Garden. Both have great ideas for pleasing combinations. =
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Ginny (PA, zone 6)
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:55:30 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
Thanks Beth,
But please dont be horrified, the toxidity of the spray with the soaked
boiled down and diluted nicotine from the chewing tobacco, is less than most
plants. paints etc around the house. And since the children dont eat the
plants (I dont use on veggies) I find it much safer and in its spray that I
make it is quite safe, (per cooperative extension. Thank you for your
concern...
Pat
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From: Beth and Bob Matney <bmatney@mail.snider.net>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
>Dear Pat,
>
>Not to but in on this, BUT I was horrified to see nicotine in one of your
>recipies, especially given your expressed concern about children and pets.
>Nicotine is EXTREMELY toxic (much worse than common chemical sprays in
>comparable amounts). A good site to check on toxidity is the Extoxnet page:
>http://ace.orst.edu/info/extoxnet/
>
>Please keep in mind that the chemical industry is not the only source of
>dangerous poisons.
>
>Beth Matney <bmatney@mail.snider.net>
>
>At 12:12 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hi Chris,
>>I use many of the home ingredient type formulas for my garden especially
for
>>bug sprays, as I have children and pets and dont like using chemicals. In
>>answer to your beer question, the cheapest is fine. They dont really care
>>what type :)
>>Bug sprays that I use often are as follows, and if you would like any more
>>just let me know.
>>One red pepper diced and two cloves garlic squashed, in a gallon of water
>>sit over night or a little longer, add in a little water, can be diluted
1/2
>>stregnth if not too bad (bugs) strain out pepper and garlic after a few
>>days, put in atomizer bottle and spray plants, bugs will stay away, must
be
>>applied after rain.
>>#2- childrens shampoo (capful) nicotine juice (boiled chewing tobacco let
>>sit overnight and strain dont keep tightly sealed can explode jar. Also
it
>>stinks keep in shed or garage!!!) about 1/2 c of that. 1/2 c mint
mouthwash
>>also in spray bottle.
>>For lawns 2-3 x a year epsom salt in hose end sprayer mixed w/ a can of
soda
>>and a can of beer will dethach lawn........
>>Enjoy
>>Pat aka Plantermom@Juno.com
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:56:40 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
No offense taken since I never stated that anything I was speaking about was
organic, I only replied to a question about home made........
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From: Amy Rupp <amyr@austx.tandem.com>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
>> stinks keep in shed or garage!!!) about 1/2 c of that. 1/2 c mint
mouthwash
>> also in spray bottle.
>> For lawns 2-3 x a year epsom salt in hose end sprayer mixed w/ a can of
soda
>> and a can of beer will dethach lawn........
>
>
>The later is classic Jerry Baker and most online gardeners do not put much
>stock in his advice. Don't be offended if someone phrases that a little
>less delicately.
>
>Mint mouthwash and soda are DEFINITELY not organic; read the labels and
>you'll see a LOT of manmade chemicals in there. They may be edible in
>small quantities, but they're not organic.
>
>One good organic tip besides the epsom salts (which are naturally
>occurring magnesium sulfate): alfalfa is a tremendous growth stimulant.
>Alfalfa meal is easiest to work with, but pellets can be ground, and hay
>can be used, especially under strawberries.
>
>--
>Amy Moseley Rupp (amyr@austx.tandem.com) Austin, TX, USDA z8b, Sunset z30
>***** Voting on misc.kids.moderated is now in progress! *****
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:58:15 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
What works to me is fine with me and whether classic Jerry Baker is taken or
not, his advice is like anyone elses, if it works, its good, if it doesnt it
isnt. Just like any other advice in any other part of life, you say thank
you and use what works discard what doesnt. To totally discard all that is
said by a person, just because is silly to me.
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From: Amy Rupp <amyr@austx.tandem.com>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
>> stinks keep in shed or garage!!!) about 1/2 c of that. 1/2 c mint
mouthwash
>> also in spray bottle.
>> For lawns 2-3 x a year epsom salt in hose end sprayer mixed w/ a can of
soda
>> and a can of beer will dethach lawn........
>
>
>The later is classic Jerry Baker and most online gardeners do not put much
>stock in his advice. Don't be offended if someone phrases that a little
>less delicately.
>
>Mint mouthwash and soda are DEFINITELY not organic; read the labels and
>you'll see a LOT of manmade chemicals in there. They may be edible in
>small quantities, but they're not organic.
>
>One good organic tip besides the epsom salts (which are naturally
>occurring magnesium sulfate): alfalfa is a tremendous growth stimulant.
>Alfalfa meal is easiest to work with, but pellets can be ground, and hay
>can be used, especially under strawberries.
>
>--
>Amy Moseley Rupp (amyr@austx.tandem.com) Austin, TX, USDA z8b, Sunset z30
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:00:41 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Still blooming on Long Island, Coreopsis - double sunburst, apricot colored
california poppies, and still a few tomatos........ Two little white straw
flowers........And Im still hunting under all those leaves as I cart them
off to the compost.....
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From: Sheila Craig <sheila_craig@qmail.newbridge.com>
To: ML-Perennials <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 1:55 PM
Subject: What's still blooming Z5?
>The mailing list is getting kinda slow - I guess the gardeners are going
>dormant with their gardens!
>
>A rudbeckia I planted this summer is still putting out new flowers (slowly,
>but surely). It got going late and I guess the 5-10 degree C highs we've
been
>getting for the past couple of weeks are enough to keep it going, despite
the
>nightly frost. It even survived having 20 cms of snow dumped on it for a
week.
> A cold front is heading our way, though. I think this is _really_ the end
of
>the garden for the year. The only other things still showing colour are my
>baby calluna vulgaris (oh, I hope they survive the winter) and one sedum
>spectabilis that was sheltered enough that the snow didn't flatten it.
>
>What's blooming in your gardens?
>
>-Sheila
>Ottawa, Canada
>Zone 4/5
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:01:25 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
Go ahead and gloat Nan, Im just plain jealous!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Nan Sterman <nsterman@ucsd.edu>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: What's still blooming Z5?
>>The mailing list is getting kinda slow - I guess the gardeners are going
>>dormant with their gardens!
>
>Oh no! Here in southern california, we are into our best planting season
>right now. Not to gloat, but I have lots of things blooming -- asters,
>salvias, tagetes lemmoni (a perennila marigold), prickly poppies,
>buddleias, and more. It's not like a spring bloom, but its still really
>nice! I'm already busy selecting bare root trees and other things to plant
>between now and February. I don't get a nice break like you all do....
>guess I shouldn't complain, though. : }
>
>Nan
>
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>Olivenhain, California
>Sunset Zone 24, USDA Zone 10b or 11
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>So goes an old chinese proverb:
> If you want to be happy for a few hours, get drunk;
> If you want to be happy for a week-end get married;
> If you want to be happy for a week, barbeque a pig;
> If you want to be happy all your life long become a gardener
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:13:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Amy Rupp <amyr@austx.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
> What works to me is fine with me and whether classic Jerry Baker is taken or
> not, his advice is like anyone elses, if it works, its good, if it doesnt it
> isnt. Just like any other advice in any other part of life, you say thank
> you and use what works discard what doesnt. To totally discard all that is
> said by a person, just because is silly to me.
Agreed: but then there are also two other truisms:
"Consider the source."
"Take it with a grain of salt."
Mr. Baker's solutions have been proven by sources *I* personally
consider more reputable and valuable than he, to be anything from mildy
effective to ineffective to dangerous. A well grounded training in
plant feeding needs will allow you to choose what's best, cheapest, and
most effective for you, be it organic or not, without relying on exotic
and expensive cocktails. The best thing to do with Jerry Baker potions
is to figure out why they (might) work and then duplicate the desired
effect more cheaply, safely, and easily.
- --
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:36:55 -0500
From: "dorsett" <dorsett@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
...
plants (I dont use on veggies) I find it much safer and in its spray that I
make it is quite safe, (per cooperative extension. Thank you for your
concern...
********
Plantermom,
Where do you live...what state and county?
Your tobacco solution is an ineffective pesticide if it is quite safe....so
IT ISN'T REALLY SAFE! I worry about you working with the concentrated solution,
which is toxic and can be absorbed *through* your *skin*! It can also infect
ornamentals like petunias and nicotiana with tobacco mosaic virus....if the
tobacco you used for your solution carried that virus.
I also wonder about the cooperative extension agent recommendation, since
tobacco based products have been withdrawn from the American market...with good
reason. They are supposed to recommend legal products of proven effectiveness,
applied according to product label directions. The person who suggested this
product to you was out of line, if they were working with extension services.
Jerry Baker's formulas sometimes show good short term results, but perennials
are plants for the long term, and tend to suffer under his recommended
ministrations.
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 <dorsett@kiva.net>
Midwest Gardener http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/430
Gardening splash page http://www.suite101.com/userfiles/79/gardening.html
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:19:02 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
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From: Amy Rupp <amyr@austx.tandem.com>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
>> What works to me is fine with me and whether classic Jerry Baker is =
taken or
>> not, his advice is like anyone elses, if it works, its good, if it =
doesnt it
>> isnt. Just like any other advice in any other part of life, you say =
thank
>> you and use what works discard what doesnt. To totally discard all =
that is
>> said by a person, just because is silly to me.
>
>Agreed: but then there are also two other truisms:
>"Consider the source." Tried and true at what they do....... Including =
Grandma who they thought was crazy when I was young and used to bury her =
leftovers (not meat) in the garden!!!
>"Take it with a grain of salt."- If it doesnt work, if it does write it =
down and pass it along......
>
>Mr. Baker's solutions have been proven by sources *I* personally
>consider more reputable and valuable than he, to be anything from mildy
>effective to ineffective to dangerous. Apparently everyone has thier =
own favorite sources and what works for you where ever you are and me =
where I am may not mesh, however, there is nothing dangerous about epsom =
salt childrens shampoo etc, that I use in the amounts that I use and out =
of the three recipes that **I** have used and have found to have worked =
well, worked wonders and were made with INEXPENSIVE HOUSEHOLD ITEMS THAT =
DIDNT HAVE TO BE PURCHASED or acquired like an expensive cocktail as you =
put it, only one was taken from a poplular Jerry Baker reciepe and =
amended a bit to suit my gardens needs. Yet you do seem to be a bit =
Baker retentive and disregard the other two making no comment. Well I =
guess we all have to have our gripes...... A well grounded training in
>plant feeding needs will allow you to choose what's best, cheapest, and
>most effective for you, be it organic or not, without relying on exotic
>and expensive cocktails. The best thing to do with Jerry Baker potions
>is to figure out why they (might) work and then duplicate the desired
>effect more cheaply, safely, and easily.Like I said before when people =
give you advice: you listen and say thanks: You take the good stuff that =
works and use it, and disregard the rest.....
So thanks.................
>--=20
>Amy Moseley Rupp (amyr@austx.tandem.com) Austin, TX, USDA z8b, Sunset =
z30
>***** Voting on misc.kids.moderated is now in progress! *****
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:22:57 -0800
From: "Plantermom" <zzredbeard@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
NY and fine, no co op ext recommended only said not harmful in the solution
I brought in unless served instead of iced tea, calm down
people............... been using for years, apparently my bed havent heard
of all of your worries, Nicotiana is gorgeous, petunias are beautiful and
perhaps the boiling helps, I dont know, it just works for me...... Thanks
again.......
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From: dorsett <dorsett@kiva.net>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Magic fertilizer mixes?
>...
>plants (I dont use on veggies) I find it much safer and in its spray that I
>make it is quite safe, (per cooperative extension. Thank you for your
>concern...
>********
>Plantermom,
> Where do you live...what state and county?
>
> Your tobacco solution is an ineffective pesticide if it is quite
safe....so
>IT ISN'T REALLY SAFE! I worry about you working with the concentrated
solution,
>which is toxic and can be absorbed *through* your *skin*! It can also
infect
>ornamentals like petunias and nicotiana with tobacco mosaic virus....if the
>tobacco you used for your solution carried that virus.
>
> I also wonder about the cooperative extension agent recommendation, since
>tobacco based products have been withdrawn from the American market...with
good
>reason. They are supposed to recommend legal products of proven
effectiveness,
>applied according to product label directions. The person who suggested
this
>product to you was out of line, if they were working with extension
services.
>
>Jerry Baker's formulas sometimes show good short term results, but
perennials
>are plants for the long term, and tend to suffer under his recommended
>ministrations.
>
>Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 <dorsett@kiva.net>
>Midwest Gardener http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/430
>Gardening splash page http://www.suite101.com/userfiles/79/gardening.html
>The best way to inspire fresh thoughts is to press the 'send' key.
>
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