Next time Pumpkin Witch


We New Zealanders were there Pumpkin Witch. Next time we will slow down
so you have time to see us !!!! Just like the America's Cup He-He, Ho-Ho

REALLY REALLY GOOD to see a posting from you.
www.hawera.net.nz 
Have a 'Parky' day.
John S.




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	pumpkins DIGEST       Tuesday, November 3 1998       Volume 01 :
Number 469



	In this issue:

	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: My Halloween jokes!
	        Topsfield pumpkin stats
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: Underwater pumpkin carving
	        Seed inquiry
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: Halloween Fun
	        Re[2]: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: Why use uncomposted leaves?
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Re: Why use uncomposted leaves?
	        Re: Winter Prep
	        Re: Why use uncomposted leaves?
	        RE: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	        Microbial Regeneration (A few of the ?'s answered)
	        The Great World Witches' Broom Race
	        Re: storing seeds
	        Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:37:04 EST
	From: Fireman243@aol.com
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Sorry to hear about your pumpkin, my son and I had the same
terrible feeling
	last year.  Did not grow "BIG" pumpkins this year for that very
reason.  Next
	year will be different I was able to make a simple alarm that
goes off when
	the pumpkin is moved.  Again sorry to hear able your loss.
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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:40:57 -0800
	From: Kenneth Rusakovich <ruskos@gis.net>
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Kalle, thank you for your sympathies.Everyone who has written
back to me has made me
	feel much better.I know I'm not alone.Nov.1 we actually thought
me would wake up and
	it would come back, but it was not meant to be.
	Cyndi the Pumpkin widow

	Kalle Ngo wrote:

	> Hi samething happedd to me I had a pumpkin that was at lest
400 pounds and when
	> I found it all smashed up in my garden I cryed for about five
minutes, it not my
	> falt I cryed I'm11 years old!
	>
	> T. D. Aker wrote:
	>
	> > I can relate!
	> > Last week, someone tried, (in vain), to steal my Andersen
634 which is
	> > around 400 pounds.
	> > The problem was they had more pumpkin than manpower to lift
it.
	> > They managed to roll it off the front porch, into the
street, where they
	> > attempted to lift it into the back of a truck I suppose.
	> > But, the 634 got the better of them and they dropped it in
the street
	> > cracking it in three places.
	> > Well, they must have figured "if we can steak it, we'll chop
it up!"
	> > It looks as though they took a hatchet to the front and
attempted to chop it
	> > in half.
	> > Well, the pumpkin got the better of them again, because they
couldn't breach
	> > it's 3 and a half inch thick walls in the limited time they
had.
	> > I awoke the next morning to find my pumpkin laying in the
street in front of
	> > the house.
	> > Somehow, no one had run into it.
	> > I got her back on a dolly, rolled it into the garage and
hoped it could last
	> > a week to Halloween.
	> > Well, I'm happy to report it DID make it fine.
	> > I cut it yesterday, and after some patching with gutter
spikes, newspaper,
	> > and joint compound, it was right there with my other 400
pounders.
	> > I'll tell you, Chris not only grows big pumpkins, but the
children of those
	> > pumpkins are damn near indestructible!
	> > Hey you little pumpkin thieves out there, I gotta pumpkin
here that'll kick
	> > your asses!:)
	> > Tim Aker
	> > P. S., stealing pumpkins from your property isn't
funny...it's theft, plain
	> > and simple.
	> > Maybe when the cops start treating it as such, the punks who
do it will get
	> > the message.
	> > Hey, we invest a lot ot time and money growing these things!
	> >
	> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	> > At 10:28 AM 10/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
	> > >Fellow pumpkineers,
	> > >I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO discouraged!!!!!! Last night Hubby
and I carved 3 of
	> > >the giants into interesting Jack-o-lanterns saving the
400lber for tonight.
	> > >
	> > >When we woke this morning, it was GONE!!!! It has been on
the front lawn
	> > >since the first week of October.We have been carefully
keeping watch, but
	> > >all to no avail.
	> > >The one and only good thing is that we had opened the top
in preparation
	> > >and harvested the seeds, so I suppose that is something.
	> > >Pumpkin Widow
	> > > P.S.The local Police think it's funny
	> >
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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:52:03 -0800
	From: Kenneth Rusakovich <ruskos@gis.net>
	Subject: Re: My Halloween jokes!

	Steve, I liked your jokes.Very lame, but anything good natured
for a chuckle is
	fine with me.At the time when I was pretty upset about my stolen
AG you made me
	smile
	 the Pumpkin widow

	SteveS012@aol.com wrote:

	> Didn't anyone like my Halloween jokes?!
	>
	> An ITCHY WITCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT??????????????????
	>
	> COME ON PEOPLE!
	> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	> FINE THEN! I'm going to get Narek to harass you guys
again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	> You have been warned!
	>
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:41:42 -0500 
	From: Mike Nepereny <MikeN@OptioSoftware.com>
	Subject: Topsfield pumpkin stats

	Hi all, 

	Does anyone have any knowledge of the top pumpkins weighed at
the Topsfield
	fair this year? We are looking for seed, male cross,
measurements, dates,
	etc..

	Thanks, 

	Mike

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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:44:42 -0500 (EST)
	From: "T. D. Aker" <tooger@roanoke.infi.net>
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	I know, you don't have to be 11 to have a thing like that upset
you.
	I'm 38 and I didn't feel too good about the whole thing.
	But, hang in there!
	There's always next year.:)
	Tim



	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	At 03:50 PM 11/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
	>Hi samething happedd to me I had a pumpkin that was at lest 400
pounds and when
	>I found it all smashed up in my garden I cryed for about five
minutes, it
	not my
	>falt I cryed I'm11 years old!
	>
	>T. D. Aker wrote:
	>
	>> I can relate!
	>> Last week, someone tried, (in vain), to steal my Andersen 634
which is
	>> around 400 pounds.
	>> The problem was they had more pumpkin than manpower to lift
it.
	>> They managed to roll it off the front porch, into the street,
where they
	>> attempted to lift it into the back of a truck I suppose.
	>> But, the 634 got the better of them and they dropped it in
the street
	>> cracking it in three places....


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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:08:49 -0500 (EST)
	From: "T. D. Aker" <tooger@roanoke.infi.net>
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	You know, I wouldn't be the least bit suprised!
	Thank god I got to it before I had to find out.
	This isn't the end to my story though.
	I had also donated two pumpkins to my daughter's school.
	One for display, and one to raffle off.
	The one for display was about 250 pounds.
	It sat there undisturbed for about 3 weeks.
	Then, the night before Halloween, someone stole it.
	Right from the front of a well lighted public building!
	And here's the worst part, the cops had already chased these
theives off
	once before that same night.
	But they let them go.
	Well, they came right back and stole it.
	It seems law enforcement doesn't understand that theft is theft.
	It's no prank.
	Not only that, it's trespassing and destroying private property.
	Get with it boys!
	Tim
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	>
	>Just out of curiosity, if someone stole your P, smashed it in
the road, and
	>somebody had a car accident as a result, could you be sued?


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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:56:51 -0800
	From: Joseph Derting <joseph@spiritone.com>
	Subject: Re: Underwater pumpkin carving

	Is anyone going to address this?
	p.s. Dana Carvey you're not, NArek.
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:13:35 -0500
	From: "waynekennedy" <waynekennedy@sprint.ca>
	Subject: Seed inquiry

	Does anyone have these seeds and is willing to part with one or
two.
	Private response via e-mail please.
	Wayne
	1006 Greer 96
	887 Orr 95
	725.6 Bartlett 95
	827 Holland 92
	792 Holland 93
	721.5 Lyons 97
	719.0 M. MacDonald 97
	620 Black 96
	697 Ciliberto 94
	990 Bax 94
	945.5 DeJong 94
	914.0 Weir 94

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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:40:44 -0800
	From: peterpumpkineater@juno.com (Matthew E Helmick)
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	  Did not grow "BIG" pumpkins this year for that very 
	>reason.  Next
	>year will be different I was able to make a simple alarm that
goes off 
	>when
	>the pumpkin is moved.  

	*******Good idea, Lojack for pumpkins. ***********************

	Matt
	Mission Viejo


	
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:37:03 -0800
	From: peterpumpkineater@juno.com (Matthew E Helmick)
	Subject: Re: Halloween Fun

	Dan and all,

	The main coment I got was "those are beautifull pumpkins" and of
course I
	replied with pride  "thanks, I grew them myself".  

	"Yea, right" as they turned to walk away.  Then of course I
invited them
	to look in the side yard and see the pumpkinless patch where the
remaing
	two pumpkins were cut that morning and they were blown away.
Felt great
	to share with the neighborhood.

	Matt
	Mission Viejo,CA



	On Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:05:35 EST DBarnett13@aol.com writes:
	>Hello All....
	>
	>I am new to this list, I think this is my third posting. I just
wanted 
	>to
	>share some cute stories about what a 120 AG will do. I grew 4
(120 
	>pound)
	>pumpkins this year at my parents place and gave them away. I
gave away 
	>some
	>smaller pumpkins (50-90 pounds) away also, it makes me feel
nice!
	>
	>I decided to keep one 120 pounder for myself, and carved it out
as 
	>best I
	>could. It was real shapely, and dark orange. It had an
elongated round 
	>shape
	>with medium ribbing. It was very pretty. It could of been much
bigger, 
	>but I
	>had some rookie mistakes....but wait till next year!
	>
	>Anyway my wife and displayed the pumpkin at our condo this
Halloween 
	>and the
	>reaction was hilarious! Here are some comments and questions:
	>
	>Is that a real pumpkin?
	>Where did you buy that thing?
	>You should enter that in a contest!
	>Oh my God, where did you get that thing?
	>Did that grow all year to get that size?
	>
	>There were many other questions and comments and the kids were
blown 
	>away. I
	>sort of felt like a celebrity. We had many people stop just to
look at 
	>it. I
	>have the energy and zest to start over again. Powdery mildew
killed my 
	>plants
	>too early this year..........I have to wait so long now.
	>
	>Dan Barnett
	>San Diego
	
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:59:48 -0500
	From: gpeters@ll.mit.edu (Glenn Peters)
	Subject: Re[2]: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	As we can all see that giant pumpkins draw all kinds of people,
some in awe and
	some in spite.

	a simple device to use is a baby monitor it can be placed in a
bale of hay
	behind the pumpkin or in a bush nearby (make sure it's in a
plastic bag) turn on
	the receiver part of the monitor and leave it where you can hear
it! ie living
	room while watching t.v. or nitestand, bureau, dresser (or
whatever ya call it)
	while you sleep , you will be able to hear anyone that comes
near it!! then grab
	your 12 guage (make sure it's unloaded) and give em a good ole
fashion scare!!!
	yeeehhaa  they won't be back!!!!!

	happy huntin

	Glenn Peters
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:41:17 -0800 (PST)
	From: Shaun Case <polaris@WOLFENET.com>
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Contained in Kenneth Rusakovich's latest missive was:

	> When we woke this morning, it was GONE!!!! It has been on the
front lawn
	> since the first week of October.We have been carefully keeping
watch, but
	> all to no avail.

	>  P.S.The local Police think it's funny

	I was worried that some of my pumpkins would be stolen, but
	none were from my house.  One of the smaller ones I gave
	away (150 lbs) was.  The first time one of my pumpkins is
	stolen from my yard I am getting a shotgun and a bag of rock 
	salt for the following halloween.  

	If the cops think it is so funny, you should file a theft
	report with the true value of the pumpkin on it.  At least
	you can get them to do some paperwork for your tax dollars
	and keep them out of the donut shops and you can make the
	crime statistics for your area more accurate.

	- -- 
	With a Yo-Heave-Ho! and fare-you-well
	And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell
	Ten fanthoms deep on a road to hell,
	Yo ho ho and the bottle of rum!       polaris@wolfenet.com ++
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:59:31 -0500
	From: "waynekennedy" <waynekennedy@sprint.ca>
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Sorry for your loss, but maybe you should look at it in a
positive way that
	you made someone else's Halloween.

	- ----------
	> From: Shaun Case <polaris@WOLFENET.com>
	> To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
	> Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	> Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 3:41 PM
	> 
	> Contained in Kenneth Rusakovich's latest missive was:
	> 
	> > When we woke this morning, it was GONE!!!! It has been on
the front
	lawn
	> > since the first week of October.We have been carefully
keeping watch,
	but
	> > all to no avail.
	> 
	> >  P.S.The local Police think it's funny
	> 
	> I was worried that some of my pumpkins would be stolen, but
	> none were from my house.  One of the smaller ones I gave
	> away (150 lbs) was.  The first time one of my pumpkins is
	> stolen from my yard I am getting a shotgun and a bag of rock 
	> salt for the following halloween.  
	> 
	> If the cops think it is so funny, you should file a theft
	> report with the true value of the pumpkin on it.  At least
	> you can get them to do some paperwork for your tax dollars
	> and keep them out of the donut shops and you can make the
	> crime statistics for your area more accurate.
	> 
	> -- 
	> With a Yo-Heave-Ho! and fare-you-well
	> And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell
	> Ten fanthoms deep on a road to hell,
	> Yo ho ho and the bottle of rum!       polaris@wolfenet.com ++
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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:03:37 PST
	From: "buck meier" <walleye11@hotmail.com>
	Subject: Re: Why use uncomposted leaves?

	This weekend I did numerous soil tests and could not believe the
amount 
	of micronutrients and fertility I lost this year. I then had the
soil 
	lab at my local University test it-same results. Nitrogen levels
were 
	extremely depleted. So I spent a few hours at the library, now
I'm more 
	confused. Every book I read told me not to add leaves that were
not 
	composted to my soil. From Rodales's Garden Problem Solver, RE:
Fall 
	soil amendments;"-----adding organic material (in the fall) such
as 
	chopped leaves, chopped straw, or peat moss will ease the
compaction and 
	drainage problems, but such materials takes nitrogen from the
soil as it 
	decomposes, and over time, it reduces the amount of nitrogen
available 
	to your food crops.----Leaves, especially Maple, contain growth 
	inhibiting phenols that should be allowed to leach away for 8 to
12 
	months before they are used. Finished compost containing leaves
doesn't 
	deplete since it has already decomposed." 

	Every book I read regarding soil amendments said pretty much the
same 
	principle. I used shredded leaves in the fall of 1997, and I had
a 
	depleted nitrogen content when I tested in May, which I
corrected with 
	bloodmeal and langbeinite. This correction is only to be done
every two 
	years according to my Univ. soil lab. 

	Maybe putting down a layer of shredded leaves that have not been

	composted is not a good idea? Please prove what I've researched
is 
	wrong-because I put 3 inches of shredded leaves on top of my
winter rye 
	last week, and I don't feel like taking them off.

	Any thoughts?

	Buck



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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:52:21 -0800
	From: Kenneth Rusakovich <ruskos@gis.net>
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Glenn,
	Awesome idea!! I know what I'm gonna be doing this winter or
next spring,checking
	out yard sales and consignment stores for baby moniters.Thanks
for the idea.
	As for the police, they really know how commited hubby is to his
punkies, and if
	they don't stand up and take notice, they fear he may seek
action on his own.As soon
	as we stressed just how much this honey was worth, they knew we
were serious.
	The next town over had an identical incident the week prior, and
the police took it
	quite seriously, our Police have said they will contast the
neighboring force for
	advice on the best way to cope with this.
	Pumpkin widow

	Glenn Peters wrote:

	> As we can all see that giant pumpkins draw all kinds of
people, some in awe and
	> some in spite.
	>
	> a simple device to use is a baby monitor it can be placed in a
bale of hay
	> behind the pumpkin or in a bush nearby (make sure it's in a
plastic bag) turn on
	> the receiver part of the monitor and leave it where you can
hear it! ie living
	> room while watching t.v. or nitestand, bureau, dresser (or
whatever ya call it)
	> while you sleep , you will be able to hear anyone that comes
near it!! then grab
	> your 12 guage (make sure it's unloaded) and give em a good ole
fashion scare!!!
	> yeeehhaa  they won't be back!!!!!
	>
	> happy huntin
	>
	> Glenn Peters
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:36:42 EST
	From: COMPUTRESE@aol.com
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Greetings!

	Each year, it is sad to read of the pumpkin thefts reported on
this list.

	In Florida where I live, we can get the police involved on any
property damage
	or theft so long as a dollar amount can be established. This
would be
	relatively easy to do, given that pumpkins are sold by the
pound, and Atlantic
	Giants are heavy. A grower's log of garden expenses would add to
the total,
	making the damage/theft a real issue.

	No way would I accept "It's just a pumpkin" as a competent reply
from law
	enforcement. Regardless of what someone steals, it's the
principle of the
	matter, not the item itself. Besides, a lot of premeditation is
involved with
	a large pumpkin theft. One cannot just walk away with it
singlehandedly.

	This very point brings me to wonder how the garbage men will
lift my AG jack
	o'lantern onto the truck tomorrow AM, as it will be waiting
alongside the
	garbage cans for pickup. Laying bets that it will take more than
two guys.

	Barb
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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:42:33 -0800
	From: Vickie Brock <brocfarm@pacific.net>
	Subject: Re: Why use uncomposted leaves?

	buck meier wrote:

	> This weekend I did numerous soil tests and could not believe
the amount
	> of micronutrients and fertility I lost this year. I then had
the soil
	> lab at my local University test it-same results. Nitrogen
levels were
	> extremely depleted. So I spent a few hours at the library, now
I'm more
	> confused. Every book I read told me not to add leaves that
were not
	> composted to my soil. From Rodales's Garden Problem Solver,
RE: Fall
	> soil amendments;"-----adding organic material (in the fall)
such as
	> chopped leaves, chopped straw, or peat moss will ease the
compaction and
	> drainage problems, but such materials takes nitrogen from the
soil as it
	> decomposes, and over time, it reduces the amount of nitrogen
available
	> to your food crops.----Leaves, especially Maple, contain
growth
	> inhibiting phenols that should be allowed to leach away for 8
to 12
	> months before they are used. Finished compost containing
leaves doesn't
	> deplete since it has already decomposed."
	>
	> Every book I read regarding soil amendments said pretty much
the same
	> principle. I used shredded leaves in the fall of 1997, and I
had a
	> depleted nitrogen content when I tested in May, which I
corrected with
	> bloodmeal and langbeinite. This correction is only to be done
every two
	> years according to my Univ. soil lab.
	>
	> Maybe putting down a layer of shredded leaves that have not
been
	> composted is not a good idea? Please prove what I've
researched is
	> wrong-because I put 3 inches of shredded leaves on top of my
winter rye
	> last week, and I don't feel like taking them off.
	>
	> Any thoughts?
	>
	> Buck
	>

	
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
nnnnnnnnn

	Buck,

	Loosening the soil is your objective ,  what you have done by
spreading
	leaves could be considered sheet composting............the list
of growers
	that practice this is long and lengthy............anytime you
add organic
	matter to the soil you run the risk of introducing some weird
	pathengens...........but 9 times out of ten you help your soil
condition by
	adding organic matter.........so the studies may be saying it
ain't
	camelot.........if it was me i let the leaves
	lie......................brock

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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:01:06 EST
	From: Mastrpumkn@aol.com
	Subject: Re: Winter Prep

	Tony,
	Good job, you got the pumpkin growing bug! Just forget your
winter rye, it
	needs no care. I dry my seeds on old window screens I get at the
dump. I wash
	them in a pail and pour them onto the screen. The screen lets
them dry from
	both sides. Others I've put on old towels to dry, many ways
work. I store the
	seeds in plastic bags [the ones with small holes that are sold
for
	vegetables.] Ziploc is one company that makes them.Oh, remember
it's not the
	roots that likes the sun, it's the leaves!

	Good Luck in 99
	Alan R.
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:01:46 EST
	From: GBPUMPKIN@aol.com
	Subject: Re: Why use uncomposted leaves?

	In a message dated 11/2/98 4:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
	walleye11@hotmail.com writes:

	<< Subj:	 Re: Why use uncomposted leaves?
	 Date:	11/2/98 4:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time
	 From:	walleye11@hotmail.com (buck meier)
	 Sender:	owner-pumpkins@mallorn.com
	 Reply-to:	pumpkins@mallorn.com
	 To:	pumpkins@mallorn.com
	 
	 This weekend I did numerous soil tests and could not believe
the amount 
	 of micronutrients and fertility I lost this year. I then had
the soil 
	 lab at my local University test it-same results. Nitrogen
levels were 
	 extremely depleted. So I spent a few hours at the library, now
I'm more 
	 confused. Every book I read told me not to add leaves that were
not 
	 composted to my soil. From Rodales's Garden Problem Solver, RE:
Fall 
	 soil amendments;"-----adding organic material (in the fall)
such as 
	 chopped leaves, chopped straw, or peat moss will ease the
compaction and 
	 drainage problems, but such materials takes nitrogen from the
soil as it 
	 decomposes, and over time, it reduces the amount of nitrogen
available 
	 to your food crops.----Leaves, especially Maple, contain growth

	 inhibiting phenols that should be allowed to leach away for 8
to 12 
	 months before they are used. Finished compost containing leaves
doesn't 
	 deplete since it has already decomposed." 
	 
	 Every book I read regarding soil amendments said pretty much
the same 
	 principle. I used shredded leaves in the fall of 1997, and I
had a 
	 depleted nitrogen content when I tested in May, which I
corrected with 
	 bloodmeal and langbeinite. This correction is only to be done
every two 
	 years according to my Univ. soil lab. 
	 
	 Maybe putting down a layer of shredded leaves that have not
been 
	 composted is not a good idea? Please prove what I've researched
is 
	 wrong-because I put 3 inches of shredded leaves on top of my
winter rye 
	 last week, and I don't feel like taking them off.
	 
	 Any thoughts?
	 
	 Buck
	  >>

	When I use non-Composted leaves I put some urea down to help
offset the
	Nitrogen used in the decomposition process.  The wintering over
seems to leach
	out any growth inhibitors.  Nitrogen needs to be replaced every
year because
	even if the plant doesn't use it, it leaches readily.  When it
comes to AG's
	you have to do a lot more than you would with a traditional
garden.

	George
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:14:51 -0800
	From: "Michalec, Chris" <cmicha@chmc.org>
	Subject: RE: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Barb,
	  Give the poor guys a break and chunk it so they only have to
load
	lighter pieces or at least leave them a note with that
suggestion.  If
	they are anything like the guys who collect the trash in my
neighborhood
	if they can't lift it they'll leave it.

	Chris M.

	> -----Original Message-----
	> From:	COMPUTRESE@aol.com [SMTP:COMPUTRESE@aol.com]
	> Sent:	Monday, November 02, 1998 4:37 PM
	> To:	pumpkins@mallorn.com
	> Subject:	Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!
	> 
	> Greetings!
	> 
	> Each year, it is sad to read of the pumpkin thefts reported on
this
	> list.
	> 
	> In Florida where I live, we can get the police involved on any
	> property damage
	> or theft so long as a dollar amount can be established. This
would be
	> relatively easy to do, given that pumpkins are sold by the
pound, and
	> Atlantic
	> Giants are heavy. A grower's log of garden expenses would add
to the
	> total,
	> making the damage/theft a real issue.
	> 
	> No way would I accept "It's just a pumpkin" as a competent
reply from
	> law
	> enforcement. Regardless of what someone steals, it's the
principle of
	> the
	> matter, not the item itself. Besides, a lot of premeditation
is
	> involved with
	> a large pumpkin theft. One cannot just walk away with it
	> singlehandedly.
	> 
	> This very point brings me to wonder how the garbage men will
lift my
	> AG jack
	> o'lantern onto the truck tomorrow AM, as it will be waiting
alongside
	> the
	> garbage cans for pickup. Laying bets that it will take more
than two
	> guys.
	> 
	> Barb
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	Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:37:30 EST
	From: GBPUMPKIN@aol.com
	Subject: Microbial Regeneration (A few of the ?'s answered)

	I have gotten a few questions on my Microbial Regeneration post
and will try
	to answer them below. 

	This was my 3rd year testing Soil amendments trying to discover
why I could
	not seem to grow any big AG's anymore even though my soil tests
looked great.
	Not sure what lead me to microbial problems but it seems to be
what was wrong.
	If there isn't enough bacteria processing food into elements the
plant can use
	easily, they do not respond well even though the basic food is
in the soil.
	This year I added a new experimental Organic fertilizer based on
the same
	theory.  I'm trying to establish a New England distributor for
this because I
	will be shipping it in myself if not costing more for shipping
that the
	fertilizer.  It hasn't been mass produced yet ether. I also
added a couple of
	more of my own.   In the Fall I add Dry Dog Food that is made
from a Poultry
	Base.  The Poultry Meal, Corn Meal, and Brewers Yeast all help
to stimulate
	Microbial activity, Earth Worms and help in making plant more
resistant to
	disease (Corn Meal).  There are other elements that also help
the fertility.
	Now many of the items or methods are not new and not invented be
me, many are
	very old farmer tricks.  I've just brought them all together
along with two
	commercial garden items.  Next Spring I will be adding a 6th
item.

	Fall: 
	1. Dog Food (Poultry Base)
	 
	 Spring:
	2. Dry Cat Food (Fish Base) this provides slow release nitrogen
and also has
	many of the same benefits as Dog Food.
	3. Micro nutrient Supplement (This will not be needed after two
years of use)
	4. Liquid Seaweed and Fish fertilizer.
	5. New experimental Organic Microbial Stimulating Fertilizer
	6. Another Microbial stimulating element.

	Now I do not want to release all the details of this experiment
yet because:

	* This was the first year of bringing the plan from a 2 step to
a 5 step, in
	other words 	not enough data.
	* I have 2 people testing this method one now in Australia and
one in MA next
	year.  	This will supply more data to evaluate.
	* I want to write an article on this in great detail during the
winter of
	99/00.
	* The new experimental Organic Microbial Stimulating Fertilizer
may not be
	readily 	available until the year 2000.
	* It may not be the answer but I think it is even with only
preliminary
	results to review.

	Sorry but you will have to be patient until the winter of 99/00
for the final
	results and all the elements.

	George Brooks

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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:56:05 -0800
	From: TerryLynn Sullivan <tls@rica.net>
	Subject: The Great World Witches' Broom Race

	I hope you all enjoyed your Halloween as much as I did. It was a
lovely,
	crisp, evening, with that magical, slightly smoky scent to the
air. I
	was late leaving for the race, because I had made sure I got the
gardens
	of every pumpkin list member in North America. I also added an
extra,
	color-enhancement spell, to make all your more colorful. Hey,
for you
	guys...anything!!

	    By the way, I won the race, for the third time in a row,
retiring
	the trophy. I was almost late, & on arrival, had to head for the
	starting line. No time to dawdel, prepare or warm up. But my
broom was
	ready, tuned up & turbo-powered by our own Mr. Goodwrench, back
on the
	farm. We were in excellent condition, having trained for the
last 4
	months. We were ready!!!

	    There was strong competition. There were entries from many
	countries. Germany sent a heavy thick, powerful model, but it
was built
	for power, not speed & couldn't keep up. England sent an antique
broom
	that was basically worn out & lacked the stamina to finish.
Italy got
	cute & tried an oar with a spell on it, but the paddle at the
end wasn't
	aerodynamic enough to make the speed. It dragged & slowed the
speed
	down. The Russians sent a a worn out broom, mounted by a very
thin,
	tired witch. The race was too exhausting & they dropped out.
India sent
	a carpet flying witch, but the dew was too heavy & the carpet
got
	waterlogged, slowed & sank. I was sorry not to see entries from
	Australia & New Zealand, but I understand they already have
entries in
	training for next year, coached by John Sargeant & Tony Hicks.
There
	were several others, including a society-club-woman type witch,
on an
	electric broom, powered by batteries. but the batteries were too
heavy,
	& ran out of power before the race was through. It was a tough
race. but
	the French were the only real competition. They had a trendy,
	streamlined little model that really turned on the speed.
Unfortunately,
	her lights weren't so good, & she got knocked off her broom over
the
	last 10 miles of the race, by flying into some electrical wires.
She
	wasn't hurt, but I never thought I'd hear a witch use such
language. I
	was laughing so hard, I almost fell off my broom at the finish
line. My
	dual cat, turbo charged broom was the fastest  & the dual beam
	headlights were a stroke of genius. The cats are still mad at
me,
	because I crossed the finish & charged up into the sky & did an
inverted
	loop of victory, & then skywrote "Pumpkins Forever". They are
still a
	bit airsick. Hey, to make an omelet, you got to break a few
eggs.

	    Anyway, I was so tired on the way home (it got cold, too),
that I
	almost fell off my broom. That'll teach me to get too
complacent.

	Your respectful correspondent (also a bit gleeful)
	The PumpkinWitch.




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	Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:14:18 -0800
	From: Mark Martinek <Always@home.com>
	Subject: Re: storing seeds

	Here is my 1 1/2 cents.

	I keep my seeds in a 1/2 gallon glass jar with a hinged lid with
a big
	rubber stopper, in the back of my refridgerator. Into the jar go
	several  large dessicant bags I purchased from a dessicant
factory. I
	also put an indicator strip into the jar. It has an indicator
spot on it
	that lets me know if it is dry in the jar or if there is any
moisture
	present. I keep all the seeds in tiny manilla envelopes to let
them
	"breathe" and give off any excess moisture they might have.

	I have a totally irrational fear of freezing my seeds. Many
growers do
	this but I makes me nervous. I am afraid that if there was any
moisture
	in the seeds (and there must be a little tiny bit) as it freezes
it
	would expand and damage the little tiny cells containing the
moisture.
	Am I alone in my concern??

	Chilly Seeds In Fremont California
	Mark Martinek

	Scott_Armstrong@LNOTES3.bankofny.com wrote:
	> 
	> here's another question, my seeds are dryed and now i'm
storing them
	> away for next year.  the ones i kept anyway.  in any event,
what's the
	> best way to store them?  at the moment i have them in air
tight mason
	> jars in a dark corner of my basement.  is there a better way?
should
	> they be air tight, or should i put holes in the lid?  seeds
that i
	> receive from other growers that come in those teeny tiny
little manilla
	> envelopes, should they come out of the envelopes and into a
jar?  should
	> they stay in the envelopes and into a jar?  should they stay
in the
	> envelopes, and out of a jar?  BASICALLY, what's the best way,
to store
	> them?  :)
	> 
	> scott armstrong
	> long island ny
	> 
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	Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 23:14:13 -0700
	From: Kalle Ngo <01570477@3web.net>
	Subject: Re: my pumpkin's GONE!!!!!!!!!

	Thanks that's the first good E-mail that was good to me and it's
my first
	E-mail that was for me exept the bad newes letter. I know that
I'm a bad
	typer but at least I can type Oh ya when should I plant my
pumkin seed? I
	started one 2 weekes ago in this little pot and it's growing
weard it's
	sorta purple and it has spikes on it.

	Jon L Jaussi wrote:

	> I am afraid that alot of people on this list have grown
pumpkins but
	> never grown kids.  Don't let it bother you.
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	>
	> On Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:03:42 -0700 Kalle Ngo
<01570477@3web.net> writes:
	> >How come all I get is some shut up kid and all kind of mean
things
	> >E-mailed to
	> >me?
	> >
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