Re: WPC rules. Fair?
Bill I am agreeing with you :0)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VanIderstine" <harrow.fur@pei.sympatico.ca>
To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: WPC rules. Fair?
> I was going to stay out of this, but with the foolish statements being
made
> I can't.
> Bruce has grown a great fruit, the biggest to date, I agree.
> The rules: as I have read them, does not say the fruit has to make a weigh
> off, they
> only say the fruit has to be sound when weighed. That's all ! If you live
> down Under
> you weigh according to your growing season, If Bruce had weighed before
> split, regardless
> of date, it would become a record, since he chose to hold on & it split,
it
> now is the largest
> damaged fruit ever grown but not the record .Let's not confuse this. The
> date weighed is not
> a factor but being sound is. Level playing field. Bruce made the
> choice. Bill Van
>
> Ps: I'm open to disagreement but please make it private as not to clutter
> the list any more.
>
> At 08:51 AM 9/17/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >It should be noted that the Whittier pumpkin was a sound pumpkin
> >according to WPC rules up until the point that the split was
> >noticed by Bruce. If he had pulled the pumpkin at some time
> >before that had happened and had it weighed and it had surpassed
> >the current world record, then he should have had both titles
> >(Guiness and WPC). Since, as I understand it, there is no
> >provision for official recognition of a pumpkin by the WPC that
> >was weighed early except if it was at an official event (WPC or
> >GPC or State Fair), he was forced to wait until some such event
> >was offered.
> >
> >All pumpkins (and vegetables) will eventually rot given enough
> >passage of time. Some will last a long time and some others a
> >short time. So, in my point of view, the WPC sanctioned events
> >represents a contest between those pumpkins that can last the
> >longest without having some defect occur until a few rather
> >arbitrary dates (the first Saturday in October for example).
> >The contests do not necessarily determine the biggest pumpkin
> >that year. If the dates for the weigh-offs were pushed back to
> >the first weekend in November, how many more pumpkins might
> >develop problems and thus be disqualified from being the largest
> >pumpkin? If the dates for the weigh-offs were advanced to the
> >first weekend in September, how many more pumpkins might be
> >included in the race for the biggest pumpkin that might still be
> >considered sound? I am not sure what makes the first weekend
> >date in October such a fair date. Growers in the south(e.g.
> >Florida or Georgia or Arizona) and perhaps other areas of the
> >country with longer growing seasons might prefer a November
> >weekend instead. Growers in Canada or Alaska might prefer the
> >September dates. The November dates would give those southern
> >growers extra time to put on those last extra pounds. Who is to
> >say they don't have the right to do so if their plants are still
> >growing? The Canada growers might want to get the pumpkins
> >weighed in September to keep any possible rot (or weight loss)
> >from developing in their pumpkins since their pumpkins may have
> >already stopped growing and are mature.
> >
> >During the year that Larry Checkon had his 1100+lb pumpkin, if
> >he had had the opportunity to pull his pumpkin early(before the
> >Dill Ring had been able to break through) and have it officially
> >weighed, then he would have had a sound pumpkin and had the
> >world's largest pumpkin at that time. Was it a sound pumpkin?
> >Up until the problem, then it sure was it my view.
> >
> >The only mistake that Bruce Whittier made in my view was not
> >pulling his pumpkin before the split occurred and having it
> >weighed on certified scales. He probably wanted it to get even
> >bigger (don't we all) but he was also hamstrung by the WPC rules
> >about when he could get it "offically" weighed. The Guiness
> >people are under no such restrictions. They are looking for the
> >biggest pumpkin even with the problem. If Bruce had pulled the
> >pumpkin before the split, and it had weighed more than Charlie
> >Houghton's, what would the WPC position be then? We already
> >know what the Guiness position would be. The same as it is
> >now.
> >
> >Comments appreciated.
> >
> >Steve Smith
> >Harrison, TN
> >
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