Bob, thanks for the advice on radicans and the expert advice on damping off control with the two recommended fungicides. As for the radicans its borderline hardy here, I think its rated at z-5 which is what I am. I guess its worth a try. Would you happen to have any experience with diseases and pests common to syringa mainly vulgaris hybrids. Thanks again for good advice. Feel free to email me if you can find the time. S. Janes