To all the new comers and the ones who forgot, here is a listing of seed germination databases. http://www.anet-chi.com/~manytimes/page43.htm or http://home.sol.no/asles/sowing.htm http://www3.sympatico.ca/vivaces/Germin.html http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/tm.html Rooting database http://telework.ucdavis.edu/root/pchome.htm -- Duncan McAlpine, Federal Way, WA m*@eskimo.com Why buy plants when you can grow them yourself.....? http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/ http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/pumkin.html