Re: Concern for us collectors(Please Read)/ Diann

Well, Gene, it'd sure be interesting to get ol' Dan on the line and get his
remarks on the matter, eh?  Perhaps he'd respond to email about the topic in
general and how he makes his own decisions.

Yes, one woman's convenience can be another's bane....

Diann

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PRIMROSES [s*@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of
> GeneBush
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 4:36 PM
> To: shadegardens@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SG] Concern for us collectors(Please Read)/ Diann
>
>
> Hello Diann,
>     I just now did a check on HWood catalog... he is selling at
> least 4 of the
> Anemone X hybrida cultivars.... ones he talked about in his book.
> They are very
> popular and can be vigorous in a good rich soil that is loose and high in
> organics. Invasive? you decide. I have them here and they have
> not taken over the
> garden as yet.
>     On the "invasive" versus "vigorous" we are back where we
> started on this.
> There is no way to tell all gardeners all over the U.S. that a plant will
> definitely be one or the other. Dividing line is also pretty fine
> here. You may
> "want" an invasive in some situations.. such as an embankment
> that washes out
> continually. There is a place in nature and gardens for these
> types of plants or
> they would not have evolved to fill the niche. My suggestion is
> when you read the
> word vigorous, do your homework before ordering and then if you
> choose to go
> ahead... keep an eye on its performance.
>     The previous owner who used ivy probably worked hard to get
> that stuff all
> over the place... see, they wanted it.. It is you who does not...
> now that it is
> there. Differing perceptions of the same area by different gardeners.
>     No easy answers.. if there are "answers"
>     Gene Bush     Southern Indiana    Zone 6a     Munchkin Nursery
>           around the woods - around the world
> genebush@otherside.com     http://www.munchkinnursery.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diann Barbee Thoma <diannthoma@EARTHLINK.NET>
> Subject: Re: [SG] Concern for us collectors(Please Read)/ Diann
>
>
> > Well, Gene, I'm wondering who he's passing them along to??  As long as
> > they're trustworthy experienced gardener friends and not
> selling them to the
> > public at a minimum!  Interesting.
> >
> > Something that bugs me about nursuries selling invasive plants
> is when they
> > label them "vigorous" instead of "INVASIVE!!" and don't say a
> word about how
> > to contain them if you just have to have them anyway. Even the
> Amer Hortic
> > Soc's A-Z Encyclopedia of Garden Plants edges around this
> distinction.  The
> > common $&%$* english ivy groundcover (and vinca for that
> matter) that the
> > previous owner planted all around my yard are invasive as heck.  And the
> > violets...GEEZ. (Let's not talk about all those canny native
> prairie weeds
> > here in the Midwest--our as-yet unplanted back lot breeds its
> own daily at
> > the most amazing rate; and yes, I once read a post by an apparently
> > idealistic young gardener about how she would not remove poison
> ivy because
> > it's native....)  I pull up about 300 Norway Maple seedlings
> (from two trees
> > that never stop putting out seeds) and twice that many honeysuckle-shrub
> > babies every year; the dogwood sends its progeny everywhere and
> our lovely
> > black locusts sprout immortal suckers in prolific randomness
> throughout the
> > land....ANYWAY!  Drawing lines over all the known universe of
> plants will
> > raise just as many profound arguments as all these varmints put
> together and
> > multiplied times the stars....
> >
> > I found Connie's discussion about the homogenization of the world (human
> > cultures and plants, for example) very interesting.  (Her
> mention of natural
> > extinction is somewhat relevant, but not something we would deliberately
> > allow--in fact we go to great legal lengths to avoid--as I'm
> sure she would
> > agree.)  I often feel quite sad how the world is losing its
> distinctions of
> > cultures (in large part, I'd put the major onus on television--and yet
> > sooner or later it seems bound to happen).  But as Connie says,
> this is the
> > way we're evolving, for better AND for worse.  I am so very enriched and
> > grateful in my life able to grow the plants that come from China, Japan,
> > Korea, etc. etc. etc.!  And where is the line between vigorous
> and invasive?
> > (NO EXPORTING OR COMMERCIAL SELLING OF VINCA IS PERMITTED!!
> YOU MAY GIVE
> > AWAY BISHOP'S WEED BUT YOU MAY NOT TAKE A PENNY FOR IT!)
> >
> > No, there's no easy answer to this.  It's a topic very much worth
> > discussing, just like abortion and capital punishment.  We're
> probably bound
> > to seesaw over it for the next millenium.  Does this path have
> heart?  (My
> > test of value in any endeavor.)  Yes, but only taken in
> rational steps, two
> > forward and one back.
> >
> > Diann
>
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