Thanks for the response, Mary. It could of course be all the more interesting since OTOME-NO-KA (the Fragrant Maiden) is of unkown parentage...my guess it that it is some sort of cross from plantaginea but...now the question, will selfed crosses give us any larger hints at the parentage of this cultivar? Fun to speculate...maybe even more fun to do and watch. Peter in Mt. Morris. NY