I am sure that Andrew Wheeler got F1s from Neat Trick showing the Neat Trick pattern. Don't remember any having yellow underneath, but there have been.
Also I agree with John Coble that the pattern is made by a fault in the pigmentation and it results in deformed falls every time. This same pattern occured in Louise Bellagamba's Appaloosa Blue. The deformity was not as pronounced as in Neat Trick but it was there.
Marty Schafer
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From: Chuck Chapman irischapman@aim.com [sibrob] <sibrob@yahoogroups.com>
To: sibrob <sibrob@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 14, 2015 8:32 am
Subject: Re: [sibrob] Re Neat Trick
Thanks for all the information.
I'm trying to sort out if genetic or possibly a virus. If genetic a
F1 backcross or an F2 should recover pattern. If can't be recovered
then a virus.
Chuck Chapman
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From: Robert Hollingworth c*@att.net [sibrob]
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To: sibrob <s*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 14, 2015 12:01 am
Subject: Re: [sibrob] Re Neat Trick
Re Neat Trick, I vaguely remember hearing some years ago that someone
(Andy Wheeler??) had crosse it with a yellow and came up with a flower
with yellow dashes on a blue ground. Sounds interesting if that memory
is correct. Bob.
Bob and Judy Hollingworth
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From: "Ken Walkup k*@cornell.edu [sibrob]"
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:38 AM
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Chuck,
I think I recall hearing that John White had produced another iris with
the same pattern, this one a wine red. Maybe Sharon Whitney might know
about this?
I'll go back and look at my records, and see what I might still have.
I've lost a lot over the last four years due to a protracted move and
resulting neglect.
Ken
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Chuck Chapman i*@aim.com [sibrob] <s*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:40:03 PM
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Thanks Ken.
A sib cross or back cross would be needed to see if anything crops up
as recessive. If you still have any seed I'd be interested in trying to
recover 'Neat Trick" pattern as a recessive.
Chuck Chapman
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From: Ken Walkup k*@cornell.edu [sibrob] <s*@yahoogroups.com>
To: sibrob <s*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 12, 2015 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: [sibrob] Re Neat Trick
Chuck,
I did the cross Neat Trick x Kita No Seiza. Fertility seemed normal,
but none of the progeny looked like Neat Trick and none had six falls
like Kita No Seiza. That seems pretty normal to me for this type of
cross. I can't say offhand whether I ever sib crossed the progeny, but
I'm pretty sure I still have descendants of this line, maybe only as
seeds.
Ken Walkup
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From: s*@yahoogroups.com <s*@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of
Chuck Chapman i*@aim.com [sibrob] <s*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:04:52 PM
To: s*@yahoogroups.com; s*@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sibrob] Re Neat Trick
Does anyone have experience trying Neat Trick as a parent?
Chuck Chapman
