Re: Re: MOONRAKER X DESERT MOONLIGHT - 2nd sdlg

Hello Chris,

>   Do you have any 
> OGB+ in bloom now that you could use as a pod parent for 
pollen from 
> this ?

I've tried this before, but have never been successful 
getting a pod using OGB+ pollen.  Or another OGB- for that 
matter.  I have only gotten pods using balanced 
amphidipoids or TBs on this type bloom.  Same with an 
OGB+.  I've only gotten seeds using TB or AB, no minuses 
or pluses.  I think they can probably happen, but 'not 
good' chances are reduced even further.  Around here, just 
about everything gets tried.  In this case, though, I 
think I'd rather try OGB pollen (which, in fact, I've 
already done) to try and improve my chances of getting a 
pod.  Since I consider the TB X AB seedlings an 
intermediate step, their primary qualification is the 
ability to set seeds rather than how they look.  The 
theory being is that the aril genes are there to work with 
along with TB genes not currently common in the arilbred 
pool and subsequent generations could be productive.

>  This would give you OGB seedlings with SA genes for 
another 
> round of crosses.  I know this isn't your goal, I'm just 
thinking out 
> loud here ;-)

I think a successful cross might give these and also some 
other combos.  I'd have to draw out the possibilities.
 
> I wonder, if you had used Desert Moonlight as the pod 
parent, if the 
> seedlings would have more Aril characteristics.

Might've.  Another type cross I've made, but only had 
seeds germinate once.  DESERT MOONLIGHT, so far as I know, 
has never set a viable pod using anything.  It has come up 
for discussion on the arilrobin and the belief expressed 
there is that it is likely pod sterile.  I personally 
doubt that is written in stone, but it has not set any 
pods for me.
 
> What do the seeds look like from a 1/4 cross ?  Do they 
look like TB 
> seeds ? 

I think this may depend on the direction of the cross 
somewhat and also somewhat on just what they inherit.  The 
few OB- and OGB- seeds I've achieved have looked more like 
TB seeds and lack the aril collar except for AT LAST.  The 
seeds from AT LAST have a pronounced aril collar.  And at 
least once, good germination.  So.....I'm not sure they 
follow rules :).  That's an understatement on the whole 
process.

Two seedlings without a horn aren't statistically very 
meaningful.  The next three might have something.  Only I 
don't have any more siblings and the TBIRD X AB seedlings 
aren't going to bloom.

Donald



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